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Project Aon Forum :: Tavern :: The Books and the World :: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) Page 1 of 2 » Jump to page   Go     Author Topic: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) (Read 2,592 times) insomniac Kai Lord member is offline Joined: May 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 316 Location: Texas, USA Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Thread Started on Aug 31, 2006, 3:16pm » Just my 2 cents on the unsolveable riddle: I don't think it's a mistake in the text. Instead, it's impossible on purpose, the point being to demonstrate the vast superiority of a demon's intellect over any mortal's, including Lone Wolf's. Though impossible for us to solve with our feeble human minds, a being like Shamath could answer such a question (as she boasts beforehand). Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Oiseau Kai Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 217 Location: Xhoromag Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #1 on Sept 3, 2006, 12:23am » If this is true, then why does an actual answer exist ? If the intention was to pose an unsolvable riddle, no paragraph in the book would have been a correct solution, forcing even cheaters to fight Shamath. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged insomniac Kai Lord member is offline Joined: May 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 316 Location: Texas, USA Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #2 on Sept 3, 2006, 2:24am » Because there is an answer, but mortals lack the ability to figure it out. It's analogous to me asking you to guess the number I'm thinking of. I am thinking of a number (137), so there is a right answer, but you could only find it by guessing. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged insomniac Kai Lord member is offline Joined: May 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 316 Location: Texas, USA Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #3 on Sept 3, 2006, 2:32am » PS. I kinda didn't answer your question. I think Joe put an answer in the text to make Shamath's contest genuine, if not exactly fair. He probably wanted the contest to be impossible because players couldn't figure out the answer, not because Shamath posed a bogus question with no answer. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Black Cat Kai Lord member is offline Give me my book! Joined: May 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,488 Location: Montréal, Canada! Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #4 on Sept 5, 2006, 4:21pm » Probably the longest mystery of all Magnamund... Check this thread in which there's more info on it: http://projectaon.proboards30.com/index.....83684315&page=1 « Last Edit: Sept 5, 2006, 4:21pm by Black Cat » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Zeeky boogy doog! http://daziarn.proboards54.com Zipp Kai Lord member is offline Loneliness is the emotion with the most company Joined: Oct 2004 Gender: Female Posts: 2,538 Location: Daziarn Plane Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #5 on Sept 6, 2006, 2:30am » I actually mentioned this in that thread, I think. I said something along the lines of, "She's a demon. Of course she's going to be like this." But that could've been over at Tower of the Sun. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged http://gh.ffshrine.org/ kylinee Kai Lord member is offline Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 5 Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #6 on May 8, 2007, 1:21pm » i hate to bump such an old thread, but i've been going back through the books here on PA. I just hit Shamath's Riddle in LoV and honestly, I personally believe it's a missing line. Who starts a riddle with "'In addition to the loyal servants, there are two Dwellers of the Abyss.'" In addition to WHAT loyal servants? You didn't tell us about them. I would think the sentence "While preparing for Naar's work I had with me 22 loyal servants." would fit perfectly. Then you can actually perform calculations on it! "While preparing for Naar's work I had with me 22 loyal servants." 22 (LS) 'In addition to the loyal servants, there are two Dwellers of the Abyss.' 22 (LS) + 2 (DotA) = 24 minions 'When the loyal servants and the Dwellers of the Abyss were counted together, their total number was doubled when my Lieutenants of Night arrived.' 24 minions + 24 (LoN) = 48 minions 'But when my Lieutenants of Night arrived, the Dwellers of the Abyss had to leave.' 48 minions - 2 DoA = 46 minions (24 LoN, 22 LS) 'Exactly half of the remaining number also departed, for they were beholden to the Dwellers.' 46 minions - (22LS / 2) = 35 minions (24 LoN, 11 LS) 'From the remainder I picked the loyal servants to guard my throne of power. I chose them all, except for one who was known to me as a traitor. I executed the traitor before I set my loyal servants to guard my throne.' 11 LS - 1 traitor = 10 LS guarding the throne! Since the loyal servants are distinguished from the LoN and DotA I wouldn't count them in losing half. I always think of the riddle posing people as thinking they are way smarter than they are. Shamath obviously thinks little of you and poses a riddle fairly easily solveable, thinking you'd never get it with your puny intellect. Of course, being the brilliant thinker you are, you get it, shocking the Demon Mistress used to dealing with lesser mortals One would think this would have been covered in a newsletter at some point with Joe Dever giving us some kind of clue, but maybe he doesn't mind the mistake since it's fueled so much discussion and angst all over the Lone Wolf boards « Last Edit: May 8, 2007, 1:25pm by kylinee » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged HuntingWolf Kai Lord member is offline 'Dimebag' Darrell Abbot, R.I.P. 1966-2004 Joined: Feb 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 975 Location: Virginia, USA Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #7 on May 9, 2007, 7:04pm » I often wonder how Joe thought up these riddles. I can't think of a riddle to save my accursed soul. How the hell does he do it?? Do you think he reads a riddle, then thinks 'Now how can I add this to the Lone Wolf sagas...."? Maybe he changes the words a bit, so we don't know the riddles...? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "Mondego is the one who pulled the trigger! He'd never confess in a million years!" "You're right. But you just did." - The Count of Monte Cristo (2002) Zipp Kai Lord member is offline Loneliness is the emotion with the most company Joined: Oct 2004 Gender: Female Posts: 2,538 Location: Daziarn Plane Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #8 on May 10, 2007, 3:33am » The only logic puzzle I ever came up with was that Alice in Wonderland one floating somewhere around the site. Other times I just adapt other puzzles to my needs. And here's my favourite riddle, see if you can get it without googling: With potent, flowery words speak I, Of something common, vulgar, dry; I weave webs of pedantic prose, In effort to befuddle those, Who think I wile time away, In lofty things, above all day The common kind that linger where Monadic beings live and fare; Practical I may not be, But life, it seems, is full of me! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged http://gh.ffshrine.org/ beowuuf Kai Lord member is offline For Dessi and the Vakeros! Joined: Oct 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 1,302 Location: Basingstoke, UK Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #9 on May 10, 2007, 6:49am » Lol, I was away to say 'hey, someone else used that one' then looked at the name Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged outspaced Grand Master (Global Moderator) member is offline And the Yellow God forever gazes down Joined: Apr 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 2,150 Location: The Midlands, UK Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #10 on May 10, 2007, 8:57am » Quote: i hate to bump such an old thread, but i've been going back through the books here on PA. I just hit Shamath's Riddle in LoV and honestly, I personally believe it's a missing line. Hi Kylinee I've added a link to this thread to the errata page for The Legacy of Vashna Section 189. When it comes time to review that book, your comments will certainly be taken into consideration, since they potentially make an impossible riddle solvable. Thanks! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged I came here to drink milk and kick ass. And I've just finished my milk.--Maurice Moss skarnivorous Kai Master (Moderator) member is offline Joined: Oct 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 45 Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #11 on May 10, 2007, 9:39am » Is there perhaps a reference to the number of Leuitenants Shamath has elsewhere in the book? It's a moot point maybe, but if someone can show Lone Wolf might know there are 12 LotN then solving: Double(LS + 2DOA) = LS + 2DOA + 12LotN gives 2*LS + 4DOA = LS + 2DOA + 12LotN LS + 2DOA = 12LotN LS = 12 LotN - 2DOA = 10 Though having this knowledge would mean Lone Wolf only needs to know the first line or two of the riddle to solve it. « Last Edit: May 10, 2007, 9:49am by skarnivorous » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged beowuuf Kai Lord member is offline For Dessi and the Vakeros! Joined: Oct 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 1,302 Location: Basingstoke, UK Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #12 on May 10, 2007, 11:01am » I did look through the book for any references, but saw nothing. Then again, you eyes start to cros after so much reading! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skarnivorous Kai Master (Moderator) member is offline Joined: Oct 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 45 Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #13 on May 11, 2007, 11:02pm » If you follow the path where you DONT know the answer to the riddle, a few page turns on, you find a description of shamath being given armour at her throne. There are two possible number references her, the first is that '12 powerful warriors stand at the base of her throne', now....if these are the LS, then there is 2 too many. However going with my deduction that LW may be able to know there are 12 LOTN, and then here 12 warriors are described as being present, I think we can assume these 12 are the LOTN. Maybe not in this book perhaps Lone Wolf can come across this 'lore' that there is 12 LOTN, making Shamaths riddle not just a test of intelligence, but of knowledge and memory?? The possibility has as much credence I think as any other, but I like it particularly because of the description of the 12 warriors on later pages, it appears this number is not coincedental. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged jdb1984 Kai Lord member is offline Joined: Jun 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 93 Re: Shamath's riddle (DoIxia) « Reply #14 on Jul 23, 2007, 12:56pm » Quote: The only logic puzzle I ever came up with was that Alice in Wonderland one floating somewhere around the site. Other times I just adapt other puzzles to my needs. And here's my favourite riddle, see if you can get it without googling: With potent, flowery words speak I, Of something common, vulgar, dry; I weave webs of pedantic prose, In effort to befuddle those, Who think I wile time away, In lofty things, above all day The common kind that linger where Monadic beings live and fare; Practical I may not be, But life, it seems, is full of me! 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