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Post by egleris on Sept 4, 2010 21:02:48 GMT
About Animal Control: I already said that it does is stackable with Animal Kinship.
Also, the idea is that there is no CS bonus and the power are there to replace it. Adding +1 CS +2 END per book make no sense; if you want to add CS and END, then go with the boost CS Lorecircle option. Otherwse, as you yourself said at some point, you'll be throwng everything in the player favor.
Also, look at the bonus you suggested for the LC, that you're leaving the same way as they're composed now (Fire = 1.5, Solaris = 2.5, etc.). Starting book 9, you can have 6 disciplines. That would mean you can have, all togheter, LC F+L+S.
Book 9 is where Khima is. Khima that, incidentally, is immune to Kai-Surge, as such making one of the lorecircle bonuses (Kai-Surge +2) unuseful. This mean the LC SP would have only the Mindbomb to offer fot that battle. Which in turn mean that we replaced the current progression (Fire>Spirit>Solaris) with another one (Fire>Solaris>Light). You've not solved the imbalance power, you simply turned it the other way around.
I hope you can see now why I said that it's important to expand the LC composition? changing the balance of power among the disciplines as they are now is not enough.
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Post by kamikaze1900666 on Sept 5, 2010 2:26:31 GMT
Actually, Spirit and Light would make a decent combo for 9- Nexus prevents insta-death by falling into the Cauldron, Psi-screen prevents EP and CS loss from Psi-ghoul, Psi-surge helps out against the Zadragon (43 CS), Divination helps in a couple sections, and you get a +20 emergency EP against Kimah.
Solaris, Psi-screen, Nexus, and Curing (Sabito pills) help just as well with less chance of an AK and +5 emergency EP added in the mix. Could also go for Weaponmastery, Psi-screen, Nexus, Invisibility, Curing, and Divination (talking to reptile creatures)- all help out along the road, in the cauldron, and against Kimah. (Keep in mind, you can temporarily lose the Sommerswerd during the course of the book, if you don't choose to leave it at home in favor of the Dagger of Vashna anyways- point is there are several good plans with completed modified Circles or without, Curing is optional as well considering the bonuses with Animal Control for the first half of the book, along with other goodies)
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Post by pi4t on Sept 6, 2010 18:35:34 GMT
Well done! The turtle defence would have to be 1 column (2 columns later), or you'd end up in a situation where it could be used in 1 in 2 combats without penalty, and would be useless in the others!
Both Mindbomb and Great Strike can only be healed by potion, and Curing will heal 1-10 Endurance, not 10!
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Post by egleris on Sept 7, 2010 20:21:38 GMT
The poll ended in a draw, as I expected. What now?
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Post by pi4t on Sept 7, 2010 20:49:34 GMT
I'll make the deciding vote Powers. Any last minute suggestions for them?
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Post by kamikaze1900666 on Sept 7, 2010 21:30:14 GMT
Not for the Lorecircles, they seem to be fine as of right now. Just thinking about Pathsmanship and Divination- higher levels they do decent, as starting powers they may need a little rebuffing (more to Pathsmanship, Divination I keep teetering on between OK and needs work, so I'm not one to decide on that).
One idea for Pathsmanship is it could give a +1 to some non-combat rolls (like where you'd get a bonus from Huntmastery, etc.). That, along with its cannon powers, should bring it up to par.
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Post by egleris on Sept 7, 2010 23:39:34 GMT
As for the disciplines, I think I already said what there was to tell in the other post; Divination, Pathsmanship, Huntsmastery, Psi-Screen and Nexus stay as they are, Animal Control, Weapon Mastery and Invisibility are modified as established.
I have to defend Psi-Surge and Curing though, as they are been wounded here; you CAN'T take their power from them to give it to their LC. Or, well, I suppose you could, in the sense that you have the power to, but it's wrong. You want to give power to the LC, I got it; stealing them to the disciplines though make no-sense-whatsoever. We have curing heal 5 END midbattle once a book. This is upgraded to 10 at Principalin; is that two books? But if you complete the LC light, it goes to 20. Well before you got the upgrade to 10. And are they to work togheter? If not, why not? And if yes, what's the meaning of the upgrade? Same with the Psi-Surge mid-upgrade, suggested to make Psi-Surge more useful sooner and then arbitrarily stolen to be given to the Spirit LC.
Why then don't you remove completely the Weaponmastery +4 CS Scion-Kai upgrade and trasnfer it to the LC of fire? It's the same kind of thought process, but somehow the best discipline is allowed to keep it's upgrade while two less loved ones don't. That's wrong.
I hope you see my point. You want to give the Lorecircles powers? Fine, then create them ex novo, do not steal discipline upgrades. That's cheap and completely opposed to the balancing concept we have used so far.
As for the LC powers, since you want to go with them, I will say that, before even starting to think wich powers give to the LC, the LC themselves need reordering. The two main problems are as follow:
LC light and fire too small.
Huntmastery shared.
The power system could compensate for the first problem, but the second need solving, immediately. otherwise, you could always have two LC with 4 disciplines, and then 3 LC with 6 discipline wich, despite kamikaze arguments, are ALWAYS superior to any other combination not involving them. SP + L or SP + F are not as strong as L + F + S no matter how well built the argumentation for the combination may appear, and a combination with no LC completed is not on par with the 3 LC combination either.
Obviously, if SP is too strong, we go with the other problem of SP + F/L as the first six. That's why I said that the discipline combinations in the LC composition has to be changed, no discussion can be made on LC power before that.
Other then remark, once again, that no LC power shoulh overlap with a discipline effect, and that the suggested upgrades must remain as they are to keep the disciplines balanced, and the LC power must be something different.
Also, as are now, the suggested LC power are crazily overpowered.
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