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Post by Dave on Jan 26, 2013 7:01:43 GMT
Ah, have patience, young one... good things come to those who wait! Sorry that the wait has to be longer than the past updates... but that's just life! RL takes precedence, and between trying to earn the equivalent of tenure at my university, and now buying a house (got the tenure!), life has been just a bit extra full! Won't concievably lighten up for a few months, either. But, I'll tell you what, part of the motivation for me in getting 1-12 done was that I own the physical books... but I don't own books 13-20. If any has a spare book 13 to donate, I'd probably get the next Seventh Sense version out sooner!
P.S. oh yes, long story short. It'll definitely happen, whether I have a physical copy of the book or not!
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Post by blash on Feb 10, 2013 11:40:31 GMT
Man, I can't wait to read books 13-20, so if you provide a link to an online store where I can buy book 13 and have it sent to you (I'm from Italy), I'll be glad to. Consider it a donation and a token of gratitude for what you're doing ;-)
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Post by Dave on Feb 11, 2013 0:48:28 GMT
There's no need - it'll get done one way or another... I appreciate the thought, though!
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Post by coinspnnr on Feb 12, 2013 0:17:01 GMT
While I have Books 13-20, unfortunately they are not spares. I would be more than happy to send them to you, but I would want them returned when you were through with them.
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2013 2:00:25 GMT
No, no need. I appreciate the thought, though!
I started assembling a list of the various issues with moving into the grandmaster series. I know of these: Combat Skill differences EP differences Importing Items (allowed vs. disallowed) Hardcore mode - how to (or whether to) allow the selection of the 2 special skills (Magi-magic, and the other one, forgot the name for now.)
Can you guys help me think of other issues moving into the GM series? I don't necessarily need solutions from you, just an awareness of the issues at hand! I'll come up with some options for the above issues, and see what you guys think.
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Post by Honza on Feb 21, 2013 9:28:59 GMT
OK, first few ideas:
Combat Skill differences:
Kai&Magnakai 10+RN CS, 20+RN EP Grand Master 25+RN CS, 30+RN EP
The difference between "fresh Grand Master" (starting book 13) and "veteran GM" has been for countless times discussed in PA forum. The point is, that you have to go through all books 1-12 and obtain all CS enhancing Special Items, otherwise the Veteran is much weaker than the fresh GM, even with Lore Circles bonuses and disciplines' built-in bonuses (Healing, Psi-surge, Weaponmastery).
However, there is the word "should" in the book 13 rules text:
Because there is not used the word "must", it implies to me (though I'm not native english speaker) that you need not use these scores.
So, in Hardcore mode, veteran LW will retain old scores with build-in-bonuses, and discipline bonuses will be later replaced by their grand master equivalents.
In By-the-book mode, you can choose whether you retain all scores, or pick new scores (25+RN and 30+RN), but you lose your Lore Circle bonuses and discipline bonuses. (I think with new scores and discipline bonuses you will be too strong.)
And in Prodigy mode, if you choose new scores, you will get maximum values automatically (CS 34, EP 39).
Also, you maybe should get +1CS/+2EP bonus for all Grand Master disciplines, even the first four ones (maybe only in Hardcore mode, which will be maybe too difficult in book 17). So starting book 13, hardcore player will automatically get +4CS and +8EP
If your CS was permanently decreased during books 1-12 (in book 1, 3, and 8), or your EP (Adgana addiction, using Helshezag), this reduction should transfer even into those new scores.
And there is also question regarding Healing/Curing/Deliverance.
In Grand Master books, there is not explicitly stated that Deliverance will heal you 1 EP per section. However, in Grand Master Disciplines section is stated that:
So, if you started in book 13, at least in Prodigy mode, you could still heal 1 EP/section (maybe even if you don't pick Deliverance).
Importing Items:
Maybe this is not so difficult: In Hardcore and By-the-book, you could import only the items announced, in Prodigy you can import anything you wish.
Maybe some slight tweak: Bronin Vest vs Kagonite Chainmail. These items are practically identical, so if you do not possess Kagonite Chainmail, you could import Bronin Vest instead of it (in By-the-book mode). Anyways, if you can import Silver Bracers, why you could not import Bronin Vest?
The sixth discipline selection in Hardcore:
Both Kai-alchemy and Magi-magic are very useful (maybe the most useful) Disciplines in GM series. But I think you should not be "forced" to choose "magical" discipline, and instead you could choose any discipline as the sixth one (but only after you spent all five slots with your fixed five disciplines).
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Feb 21, 2013 17:02:52 GMT
I think Honza's suggestions are good. Kai Surge will be essential in hardcore, as will weapons, as a continuing player cannot just substitute weaker forms and leave the GM version till later. In other words you are talking a difference of 13cs in many fights!
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Feb 21, 2013 17:05:08 GMT
Will there be a penalty when the text assumes you have a magnakai discipline that you didn't pick, in Hardcore....? Maybe a standard -3en or something?
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Post by blash on Feb 24, 2013 9:41:37 GMT
I've read many times that CS and EP scores from previous books are inadequate to begin the new serie, but personally I ended book 12 with something like 53 CS (if I remember correctly.. and using dual wield). In my case I would stay with the old scores, and I hope I will have the possibility to do that (retaining also all lore circle bonuses). To be honest with those scores the games was even too easy, but using SS there wasn't quite other choice than beginning with 19/29 to be able to compete with guys like Kimah and the like. Maybe next time I start book 1 with 17/23, but how I'm gonna beat Kimah will be a mistery.. Speaking of the items, I think that the possibility to go on with everything you had should be given, it's the most reasonable option from the "RPG" point of view. Well, in the end, I think the more options you will give, the better will be (as it has always been with the "custom" settings) :-)
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2013 7:43:50 GMT
Oh yes, I will have a number of options for moving on to the GM series from MK.
Thanks for the input, everyone.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on May 4, 2013 9:28:58 GMT
Oh yes, I will have a number of options for moving on to the GM series from MK. Thanks for the input, everyone. I'm guessing that factoring in all those different options is proving no easy feat, from the radio silence for the last couple of months.
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2013 21:52:57 GMT
Sorry for the long "radio silence"... it's because I bought a home and moved (which has taken a lot of time by itself) and our internet is really spotty (rural now, instead of in-town). Things are finally settling down a little bit, and I've actually spent a little time working on the program, so things are indeed moving forward, though probably at a pace that would make a snail seem fast!
Anyhow, do not despair - Once the general code is in place for the GM series, the books will be able to be put in very quickly. I'll keep you all appraised of any significant progress.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on May 17, 2013 23:04:06 GMT
Thanks Dave! That is good to hear.
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Post by huanchoo on May 30, 2013 14:03:57 GMT
As always we will keep waiting loyally... hehe
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Post by blash on May 31, 2013 15:58:00 GMT
Yes, I'm too checking this page regularly with strong strong hope, waiting loyally too ^^
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