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Post by hellebore on Apr 3, 2012 12:50:48 GMT
Pocket watches are fairly old; they were being made in the 1400's. Thus the idea of a clockwork timepiece isn't out of the realms of possibility in Magnamund, especially given people can build flying ships and give them to lone wolf and the sheer number of combination locked crypts, chests etc in the setting. Clearly complex machinery and gears already exist.
It does seem odd that a kai initiate has one to casually awaken him though.
I would imagine Brotherhood magicians would be used to detect helghasts, but they were running around like crazy after vonatar's treachery. The fact that it was the crown prince would also make it unlikely to be checked.
The helghast wars pretty much saw the cessation of major helghast infiltrations, especially into high level areas. Perhaps they thought that having not done it in a few hundred years their guard would be down. That and there was no harm in trying.
There are no 'mongoose interpretations' of the lone wolf books, Joe Dever oversees all manuscripts. Any changes in those books will be oked by Joe. Afaik the only changes made appart from book 1 are inconsistencies, errors, stat balancing and spelling mistakes.
Hellebore
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 3, 2012 23:06:53 GMT
Pocket watches are fairly old; they were being made in the 1400's. Thus the idea of a clockwork timepiece isn't out of the realms of possibility in Magnamund, especially given people can build flying ships and give them to lone wolf and the sheer number of combination locked crypts, chests etc in the setting. Clearly complex machinery and gears already exist. It does seem odd that a kai initiate has one to casually awaken him though. I would imagine Brotherhood magicians would be used to detect helghasts, but they were running around like crazy after vonatar's treachery. The fact that it was the crown prince would also make it unlikely to be checked. The helghast wars pretty much saw the cessation of major helghast infiltrations, especially into high level areas. Perhaps they thought that having not done it in a few hundred years their guard would be down. That and there was no harm in trying. There are no 'mongoose interpretations' of the lone wolf books, Joe Dever oversees all manuscripts. Any changes in those books will be oked by Joe. Afaik the only changes made appart from book 1 are inconsistencies, errors, stat balancing and spelling mistakes. Hellebore If the kind of technology required for pocket watches was available to all & sundry in Sommerlund the kai would include 'Musketmastery' in it's weapon skills spread! Okayed by JD is not the same as written by JD. Finally, about the Helghast: Just because Epilim stops you having epilepsy it doesn't mean you stop taking it......
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 3, 2012 23:11:18 GMT
Anyway, Mr Rusty Radiator, the future got to be very dark if young or old people expect the computers make all the work, even the work of reading. Ah.....! The computers should do all the boring repetitive bits, like writing & using tables. To the reader is left the fun part- THE CHOOSING.
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Post by anotherknight on Apr 4, 2012 1:02:50 GMT
I tell you something. All the things you think they are boring for me they are the fun. And vice versa. When i was a child i got no computers at all. None Spectrum, MSX or the hell of that. And you know...i do not miss them. I read gamebooks, comics and enciclopedies while the other children throwed stones against the cows. I invented a lot of games indoor/out door. Everybody played the games i invented. And now, here i am using a computer that i hate just to speak with you. And you know what, i am much more boring now than those days when no computer entered in my life. Extract your own conclusions.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 4, 2012 8:24:12 GMT
And now, here i am using a computer that i hate just to speak with you. And you know what, i am much more boring now than those days when no computer entered in my life. Extract your own conclusions. Hey, correlation does not necessarily indicate Cause & Effect. You're lucky you had brothers & sisters to play your games before. I think computers are great; never have so many like-minded people been able to communicate so quickly. I have games on my shelves gathering dust till my kids are old enough to play them with me- I almost never have time to physically see my friends between full-time job+travel+overtime+family. So the internet is a godsend.
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Post by Snowshadow on Apr 4, 2012 16:02:21 GMT
Can’t see it now but thought someone mentioned the Multiplayer Rules, might have been Rusty Radiator’s comment about D20. Anyway reminded me of this… The Multiplayer Rules treat Climbing as a Test with a Bonus based on Combat Skill. So, it follows that Alether* (& Adgana) can give a Bonus to any Random Number Test in the Gamebooks based on Strength or other Physical Ability: • You can use Alether anytime you are using your Bow and asked to Pick a Random Number. • You can use Alether anytime you Throw a Weapon, e.g. Dagger of Vashna vs. Kimah Bk 9 '239'. • You can use Alether for any Climbing Test, e.g. Haagadar Climb Bk 11 '244'. • You can use Alether anytime you are Swimming, e.g. Tahou Cauldron fall Bk 9 '141'. • You can use Alether for any Jumping Test, e.g. Ruel Bridge Jump Bk 13 '182'! • You can use Alether for any Running Test, e.g. Fleeing Xaagon Bk 17 '62'! • Or any other Test where your own Strength is a major factor, e.g. Taming an Itikar Bk 5 '224'. The Ruel and Xaagon Tests are notorious Instant Death sections at the very end of the adventure. *I am not a fan of Alether being addictive as stated in the Multiplayer, that's Adgana as far as I am concerned, but I understand the need for moderation for the RPG. ........................................................................................................................ Gone a little off topic. Thought, as I'd mentioned the changes to Bk 1 from Mongoose, other Forum members might like to know the Bonus Adventures that are included in the other books (I'll edit & add to the list when they become available): • Book 2 Fire on the Water, 'The Crown of King Alin IV' [MS5048, two years before Book 2, 71 Sections], you play Rhygar. • Book 3 The Caverns of Kalte, 'Vonotar's Web' [Set immediately before Book 3, 120 Sections], you play Loi-Kymar. • Book 4 The Chasm of Doom, 'Ruanon' [Set at the same time as Book 4, 150 Sections], you play D'Val. • Book 5 Shadow on the Sand, 'The Tomb of the Majhan' [Set some time before Book 5, 90 Sections], you play Tipasa the Wanderer. • Book 6 The Kingdoms of Terror, 'The key to the Future' [Set at the same time as Book 6, 187 Sections], you play Gwynian the Sage. • Book 7 Castle Death, 'The All Seeing One' [Set immediately before Book 7, 127 Sections], you play Tavig. • Book 8 The Jungle of Horrors, ‘Masquerade in Hikas’ [Set some time before Book 8, 152 Sections], you play Paido. • Book 9 The Cauldron of Fear, ‘The Guildmaster’s Hammer’ [Set probably before Book 9, 100 Sections], you play Sogh of Suentina. • Book 10 The Dungeons of Torgar, ‘Echoes of Lost Light’ [Set immediately after Book 10, 120 Sections], you play Skarn*. • Book 11 The Prisoners of Time, ‘Lord of Meledor’ [Set two years after Book 11, 150 Sections], you play Lorkan Ironheart. • Book 12 The Masters of Darkness, ‘Aboard the Intrepid’ [Set some time before Book 12, 100 Sections], you play Captain Borse. • Book 13 The Plague Lords of Ruel, ‘Plague Agent’ [Set immediately before Book 13, 150 Sections], you play Tennan – the Herbwarden mentioned in “The Story So Far”. • Book 14 The Captives of Kaag, ‘Darkness Most Dire’ [Set during Book 14, 120 Sections], you play Dire – the Undead Freelands Soldier {who speaks Telepathically with Lone Wolf} from Section ‘218’. • Book 15 The Darke Crusade, ‘Castle Akital’ [Set MS5075, the year before Book 15, 150 Sections], you play Captain Prarg. • Book 16 The Legacy of Vashna, ‘A Long and Dire Road’ [Set after Book 14’s Bonus Adventure, 100 Sections], you again play Dire and may carry equipment and skills from Darkness Most Dire. • Book 17 The Deathlord of Ixia, ‘Labyrinth of Sorrow’ [Set at the same time as Book 17, 150 Sections], you play Karoth - a Helghast! * It’s complicated; you play Lone Wolf with all the skills and equipment he finishes Book 10 with. The mini-adventure sort of takes place within the lorestone of Luomi which has become partially corrupted and you must purify it before you can gain it’s Magnakai wisdom – once the adventure finishes you have exactly the same items you had at the start, including any Potions you may have drunk.
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Post by anotherknight on Apr 4, 2012 19:06:12 GMT
And now, here i am using a computer that i hate just to speak with you. And you know what, i am much more boring now than those days when no computer entered in my life. Extract your own conclusions. Hey, correlation does not necessarily indicate Cause & Effect. You're lucky you had brothers & sisters to play your games before. I think computers are great; never have so many like-minded people been able to communicate so quickly. I have games on my shelves gathering dust till my kids are old enough to play them with me- I almost never have time to physically see my friends between full-time job+travel+overtime+family. So the internet is a godsend. Sisters? Brothers? No my friend. No help. In the eighties internet was not what is today. The problem is not broadcasting, the problem is the human being. In my opinion internet is the 1984 omen. The big brother. All the people i have known through the net are caught in the net. The spider net. Technically is great. Look google maps. Everything is under control. No liberty at all. Flight from the dark is escaping from the majority decision. Think about it.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 4, 2012 20:19:57 GMT
Hey, correlation does not necessarily indicate Cause & Effect. You're lucky you had brothers & sisters to play your games before. I think computers are great; never have so many like-minded people been able to communicate so quickly. I have games on my shelves gathering dust till my kids are old enough to play them with me- I almost never have time to physically see my friends between full-time job+travel+overtime+family. So the internet is a godsend. Sisters? Brothers? No my friend. No help. In the eighties internet was not what is today. The problem is not broadcasting, the problem is the human being. In my opinion internet is the 1984 omen. The big brother. All the people i have known through the net are caught in the net. The spider net. Technically is great. Look google maps. Everything is under control. No liberty at all. Flight from the dark is escaping from the majority decision. Think about it. Well I guessed wrong about the brothers & sisters. There must have been a few locals not throwing stones at cows for long enough to play your games. I'm a little confused about your allusions- neither 1984, nor The Darklands represent majority rule. Maybe we should all stop posting on Project Aon & run off to Holmgard to warn the king.....!?
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Post by anotherknight on Apr 4, 2012 21:44:31 GMT
"1984" was a famous novel written by George Orwell. It tells about a world where there is a camera at every place: streets, houses. But the freedom is lost. As the same time it is a date that means a lot of things for the people at this forum. You are right. I don´t know if we should all stop posting here, but you are right about warning the king or whoever wants to fight against darkness.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 6, 2012 1:47:14 GMT
"1984" was a famous novel written by George Orwell. It tells about a world where there is a camera at every place: streets, houses. But the freedom is lost. As the same time it is a date that means a lot of things for the people at this forum. You are right. I don´t know if we should all stop posting here, but you are right about warning the king or whoever wants to fight against darkness. I am familiar with Orwell's '1984', also Brave New World by Huxley. I am just a little confused about why you then talk about fleeing the 'majority' when there is a strict caste system in Airstrip 1 (also the Darklands).
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Post by anotherknight on Apr 7, 2012 14:49:02 GMT
"1984" was a famous novel written by George Orwell. It tells about a world where there is a camera at every place: streets, houses. But the freedom is lost. As the same time it is a date that means a lot of things for the people at this forum. You are right. I don´t know if we should all stop posting here, but you are right about warning the king or whoever wants to fight against darkness. I am familiar with Orwell's '1984', also Brave New World by Huxley. I am just a little confused about why you then talk about fleeing the 'majority' when there is a strict caste system in Airstrip 1 (also the Darklands). Well, it is no easy to explain here. But it is obvious that Flight from the Dark is the beginning of a very lonely experience to save the "world" and restore the dead tradition of knowledge and values killed by the darkness forces. Joe Dever lost his father at very early age. That was key. But in my opinion, if there is something we got to learn from this epic it is the will of sailing against the stream. It´s true there is a caste in the middle ages, or in a dictatorship. The problem is that the majority does nothing against injustice. That´s why the bad ones became strong. In our world many people think that internet is a liberty door. And that´s not all the truth. The truth is that we got less freedom than in the 80s. We are celebrating the new technologies while the eye that everything it sees controls our movements. The mobile phone. The big computer corporations who got plenty control of our lives. The governments are to a single "click" of knowing everything on us. Freedom is a feeling and my feeling is this.
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Post by thisisbill on Apr 9, 2012 19:12:10 GMT
Personally, I liked the rewrite overall. I would have liked to have seen all the books get a similar treatment where proper. One of my favorite parts was the vivid description of Alema bridge that gives you a much better sense of the scale of the bridge and battle.
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Post by Oiseau on Apr 9, 2012 20:47:03 GMT
Except I don't think Alema Bridge was ever meant to be that huge in the original version. The new version makes it feel like some feat of super-engineering (mile long stone bridge, massive towers, central marketplace on a single massive slab of stone…) that just feels impossible to me in a medieval setting. Castles and city walls, fine — but this ? Unless there was magic involved somehow.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 9, 2012 22:01:25 GMT
Except I don't think Alema Bridge was ever meant to be that huge in the original version. The new version makes it feel like some feat of super-engineering (mile long stone bridge, massive towers, central marketplace on a single massive slab of stone…) that just feels impossible to me in a medieval setting. Castles and city walls, fine — but this ? Unless there was magic involved somehow. Yeah, it's physical size has been retro-actively altered to reflect its importance in canon. Everything should be on a smaller scale in the first book.
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Post by Aarontu on Apr 10, 2012 1:23:29 GMT
Just want to chime in here to say that the revised FftD is awesome. Sure, some stuff has been retconned/changed, but Joe Dever's writing has matured a lot since he first wrote the original. The new version has much more narritive and substance to it, and fleshes out areas and scenes with more detail. It is difficult, but it's not nearly as bad as book 9, 11, or 17, and I completed it without cheating after a few attempts. (I probably got lucky during that last combat, though)
It's not the same Flight from the Dark that we all know and love, but that doesn't mean it isn't AWESOME and a pure joy to read for LW fans.
(I REALLY wish he would have redone Fire on the Water, too. It tells a pretty epic story, but it mechanically the weakest book in the series, riddled with annoyances and with an anticlimactic ending.)
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