Grand Master transition

[gdv82]

So here we are,
I know this topic has already been discussed A LOT on projectaon, and no unique solution has been found...

I studied the numbers and came up with a new proposal I still haven't seen.... I am thinking about it and I don't know if this could become unfair later on, so let me explain how I think I could handle the transition in Lone Wolf Saga:

- The player could reroll its CS and EPs, adding 25 and 30, as per the instructions; should he decide to do so, he will lose the bonuses from the Lore-Circles (but not all the other bonuses coming from Armours, Weapons, Special Items (only the permitted ones) and Kai / Magnakai disciplines); starting from book 14 (the 2nd book of the Grand master series) he will gain the normal +1CS +2EPs per Grand Master Discipline acquired
OR
- The player could mantain its CS and EPs from the previous series: in this case, he/she will also mantain all the bonuses from the Lore-Circles (and will also obviously mantain all the bonuses from Armours, Weapons, permitted Special Items, Kai / Magnakai Disciplines); should he decide to do so, he/she will gain +1CS and +2EPs not only for the subsequent acquired Grand Master Disciplines, but ALSO for the starting 4 Grand Master Disciplines

In any case the Discipline's Bonuses will NOT STACK but the bigger ones will replace the lower ones, and never will the Player need to forfeit any Item beyond those not permitted by the rules.

In the first case the Player will end up with:
CS: (DIE) + 25 + Armours/Weapons/Specials
EPs: (DIE) + 30 + Armours/Weapons/Specials

while in the second case the Player will have:
CS: (DIE) + 10 + 5 (Lore-Circles) + 4 (4 Grand Master Disciplines) + Armours/Weapons/Specials
EPs: (DIE) + 20 + 11 (Lore-Circles) + 8 (4 Grand Master Disciplines) + Armours/Weapons/Specials

It all netting in at:
CS: 25 + X
EPs: 30 + X
VS
CS: 19 + X
EPs: 39 + X

The first case is a powerful +6CS, but at the risk of rolling a lower dice (I will make sure that the first roll will be "permanent" unless the book is restarted, and it will only be possible at the beginning of book 13)
The second case is a +9 EPs, but it seems to me a lower possible bonus in comparison to a +6 CS (that's 3 different columns in the Combat Results Table)

The alternative solutions seem to be:
- The Player keeps its current Scores and Bonuses (seems to me that the Grand Master books will become too difficult)
- The Player adds +15 to its CS and +10 to its EPs (I fear the Grand Master books will become too easy)

GDV

[beto666]

I'm surprised that no one else has voted but I vote for the custom solution.

[gdv82]

Thank you

[asapiens]

Custom means we do w/e we want right? The standand 1 and 2 are what gdv82 put up as comparison, I assume.

[Rusty Radiator]

Gdv's first custom option is pretty much what i did all those years ago, when 13 came out. It is supported by the text, which says you CAN roll your statistics using the given numbers OR keep your old stats.
Thematically this fits with the sort of Rebirth described in your transition to grandmastery.
It also fits with the NO books, giving you similar statistics to your pupil, at the same level of attainment.
Completing 13 to 17 under any other system seems like some kind of torture. Surely you should feel like your GM is MORE powerful, not weaker?! Look at the stat inflation I have discussed in other threads (those Eldenoran supermen....).

[gdv82]

Oct 8, 2015 19:19:35 GMT asapiens said:

Custom means we do w/e we want right? The standand 1 and 2 are what gdv82 put up as comparison, I assume.

Custom means that the player has the option to decide:
- He can keep its stats, and in doing so he will also mantain its Kai and Magnakai Disciplines, and will gain additional CS and EP for every Grand Master Discipline, starting from the first;
- Or he can reroll its stats adding the new bonuses, but in choosing to reroll he will forfeit its Kai and Magnakai Disciplines, and will only gain additional CS and EP starting from the 5th Grand Master Discipline (that is, from the second Grand Master Book)

And it's the option that is being implemented at the moment

[malfi]

I like the custom solution. It seems just a tad too strong for my tastes, but its closer to "my perfect" than keeping the same stats.

So add my +1 to it

Note that standard solution #2 adds 10cs and removes 1 endurance. The text in book 13 is pretty explicit about losing lore circle bonuses but not about losing anything else. Not that this makes much difference, it's still too strong.

I think my ideal would be to go with standard solution #2 but remove the silver bracers and kalgonite chainmail from the items allowed to bring to book 13.