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Post by Nym90 on Mar 5, 2017 17:47:07 GMT
"Most difficult" is defined as highest combat skill, or when combat skill is equal between one or more opponents, higher endurance.
If I omitted any, please correct. I am not taking into consideration possible adjustments such as immunity to Mindblast/Psi-Surge/Kai-Surge, other situational CS modifiers such as ambushes/bad positioning, etc. so that would be useful info if it tips the balance.
Book 1--Gourgaz: COMBAT SKILL 20 ENDURANCE 30 Book 2--Dorier + Ganon (or Ganon + Dorier) : COMBAT SKILL 28 ENDURANCE 30 Book 3--Ice Barbarian + Doomwolf: COMBAT SKILL 30 ENDURANCE 30 Book 4--Barraka: COMBAT SKILL 25 ENDURANCE 29 Book 5--Darklord Haakon: COMBAT SKILL 28 ENDURANCE 45 Book 6--Altan: COMBAT SKILL 28 ENDURANCE (TARGET points) 50. But not a true "combat" in that there is no risk of death. Next toughest is Varettian Mercenaries: COMBAT SKILL 26 ENDURANCE 35 Book 7--Lord Zahda (with power-staff): COMBAT SKILL 33 ENDURANCE 45 Book 8--Gnaag Helghast: COMBAT SKILL 38 ENDURANCE 48 Book 9--Zadragon: COMBAT SKILL 43 ENDURANCE 58 Book 10--Demonlord Tagazin: COMBAT SKILL 45 ENDURANCE 65 Book 11--Chaos-master (lightly wounded): COMBAT SKILL 44 ENDURANCE 62 Book 12--Darklord Gnaag: COMBAT SKILL 50 ENDURANCE 70
Will do more later.
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Post by Nym90 on Mar 5, 2017 19:01:34 GMT
Book 13--3 Ruel Giganite: COMBAT SKILL 50 ENDURANCE 80 Book 14--2 Xaghash: COMBAT SKILL 52 ENDURANCE 60 or Zavaghar: COMBAT SKILL 52 ENDURANCE 60 (but you only have to avoid an insta-kill to be guaranteed to survive) Book 15--Warlord Magnaarn (with Nyras Sceptre): COMBAT SKILL 50 ENDURANCE 36 Book 16--Demoness Shamath (in the guise of Gnekasha the Worm-thrall): COMBAT SKILL 55 ENDURANCE 42 Book 17--Deathlord Ixiataaga (with Deathstaff—uncharged): COMBAT SKILL 60 ENDURANCE 39 Book 18--Vaxagore: COMBAT SKILL 56 ENDURANCE 52 Book 19--Crypt Spawn Horde: COMBAT SKILL 55 ENDURANCE 40. Though in all likelihood Wolf's Bane will be harder, since his Combat Skill is always automatically four points higher than yours, and Endurance equal to yours. Book 20--Kekataag the Avenger: COMBAT SKILL 60 ENDURANCE 58
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Post by UrQuan on Apr 3, 2017 17:29:41 GMT
The Korozon in book 14 is functionally one of the hardest combats in the game. 52 CS and one of only a few enemies with complete immunity (60 effective CS, same as Deathlord!). For the Deathlord and Kegataag and so on which have a higher net CS, they are not immune to Kai-Surge, and at that point Lone Wolf has gained +3 CS and +6 CS respectively (and some EP) which evens the odds, and for those fights you even have double damage. But of course the difficulty in book 17 comes from the multitude of fights, not from the Deathlord per se. But the real boss in book 17 are the mighty Cabalah, 53 CS. Not only are they completely immune (61 effective CS), but using the Sommerswerd in that fight leads to certain doom (in that case 69 effective CS, and by that metric this is by far the hardest combat in the game). On a related note, the hardest mandatory combat? Deathlord Ixiataaga, but if using Adgana for the Deathlord and +4 Alether for the Chaos-master, the hardest mandatory combat is actually the 3 Kajarda, again in book 17, and again no Sommerswerd (56 effective CS). It's even a timed combat. Speaking of no Sommerswerd, for Dorier + Ganon the highest possible Combat Ratio you can get with maximum stats is -5, which I'm pretty sure makes it the lowest highest possible Combat Ratio for any fight in the game (and therefore one of the hardest combats). Especially taking into account Alether, where after book 3 you in theory have +4 Alether and after book 12 +6 Adgana, for any single fight. Whereas for Dorier + Ganon even +2 Alether is not available yet (nor Silver Helmet nor any armour). For comparison, even old Chaos-master was at best only around -1 CR, even without Psi-Surge. There was always a lot of brouhaha around old Zakhan Kimah, but with max stats he was only around 0 CR I think. Old Chaos-master was harder, and that was a true mandatory combat. But what is actually the hardest combat in the game? The Kalkoths! In the very best case you have a 34% win rate against them (one), and that one with 3 is at around 4% win rate in total.
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Post by Oiseau on Apr 3, 2017 18:26:04 GMT
The main problem with all these combats is that they're built around the assumption that all players always have maximum starting stats. Whenever Lone Wolf boss combats are compared or analyzed, everybody always talks of the "best" combat ratio you can achieve (often something like –2 or –4 or whatnot, as in the previous post). But there is only a 10% chance of picking the ideal '9' on the RNT at the start. What of playability for the fair-minded people who pick, say, a '2' or even a '0' at the start? It seems they were never even taken into consideration past Book 8 (coincidentally when Gary Chalk left ; I wonder if there's a link there).
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Post by UrQuan on Apr 3, 2017 19:03:04 GMT
The main problem with all these combats is that they're built around the assumption that all players always have maximum starting stats. Whenever Lone Wolf boss combats are compared or analyzed, everybody always talks of the "best" combat ratio you can achieve (often something like –2 or –4 or whatnot, as in the previous post). But there is only a 10% chance of picking the ideal '9' on the RNT at the start. What of playability for the fair-minded people who pick, say, a '2' or even a '0' at the start? It seems they were never even taken into consideration past Book 8 (coincidentally when Gary Chalk left ; I wonder if there's a link there). I wouldn't say they are built around Lone Wolf having maximum stats, there simply is no balance to be struck between "fresh" and legacy characters, exasperated by the fact that fresh characters won't have the Sommerswerd. The longer the series goes the more apparent this problem becomes of course, with Lore-Circles and so on, but the Sommerswerd really is the big offender here. As if that wasn't bad enough, there is like you said an additional range of a whooping 9 Combat Skill by having to pick your starting stats, another archaic and fundamentally broken mechanic. In reality, a single point of CS is worth more than the whole 10-19 starting stats spectrum was given credit for. Still, given a reasonable character, I would say that except for a few bottlenecks like book 17 the balance falls on the "too easy" side for legacy characters. Fresh characters take the hit for that, where by the Grandmaster books they become impossible to complete.
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Post by Nym90 on Apr 4, 2017 18:23:30 GMT
Thanks Urquan, I had a feeling you might have some info to add here.
The Kalkoths are interesting since you automatically die if you lose ANY endurance points. So despite each one being a relatively easy fight otherwise, the odds of not suffering any damage at all is slim.
At least the Cabalah can be avoided with Kai-Surge (trying to complete book 17 without Kai-Surge is extremely difficult of course, even with otherwise max stats and equipment), or evaded after four rounds. However even surviving that long is difficult.
Seventh Sense currently allows you to equip and use the Sommerswerd if you fight the Kajarda in section 125 instead of in 96 or 287. That probably should be fixed as it doesn't make sense (as you just chose not to use it in the previous section), but it does provide a way to semi-cheat your way past them for the time being.
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Post by kai on Jan 20, 2019 0:22:06 GMT
New order series: I'm not sure if I got the right ones, but here is what I got. book 21--Dromodon the invinsible, cs 44, ep 39. book 22--Zhurc, cs 52, ep 40. book 23--Baron Sadanzo, (with gem of Naar), cs 54, ep 38.
Book 24--Zorkaan the souldtaker, (Round one), cs 58, ep 46. Book 25--Xaol zombie, (possessed by Zorkaan the soultaker), cs 55, ep 43. Book 26--Shom'zaa, cs 56, ep 50. Book 27: Sligza, cs 49, ep 20. Book 28: Brumalghasts, cs 57, ep 50.
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Post by Nym90 on Jan 20, 2019 20:32:24 GMT
Thanks Kai. I had intended to complete this but forgot about it.
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Post by kai on Feb 1, 2019 22:32:37 GMT
Technically, in lw20, the hardest combat is Huan Zhor the Dragon Lord: cs 56, ep 60, because he is immune to all forms of psychic attacks except Kai-blast and Kai-ray.
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