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Post by heroaltair2 on Sept 13, 2019 21:52:55 GMT
Do you think that all of the Elder Magi are males or there are females as well? I've wondered this for a while, since all the members of this race that we actually met are males (Rimoah, Ardan and Casis), and also in book 22 Rimoah states that currently there are left less than a hundred of them so they are nearly extinct.
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Post by Oiseau on Sept 13, 2019 22:24:48 GMT
There would have to be females or the race could not have perpetuated itself.
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Post by Ofecks on Sept 13, 2019 23:06:08 GMT
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Post by heroaltair2 on Sept 14, 2019 1:10:14 GMT
There would have to be females or the race could not have perpetuated itself. Yes, i guess so, but then why the race never could recover after the Great Plague of Cener Druids? I theorize that maybe for some unknown reason the females were most vulnerable to the disease than the males so the most of them died and the few who surived weren't enough to perpetuate the race (that would explain why appears to be more males than females) , or maybe the few survivors of the Plague (males and females alike) were turned infertile as a secondary effect of illness.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 14, 2019 14:13:34 GMT
Infertility might not necessary be a side-effect of the plague but maybe of evolution? The Elder Magi have been present on Magnamund for nearly 10,000 years and it has been 8,000 years since the Great Plague. Maybe that after so many generations, they just naturally became less and less fertile? 10,000 years might not be a very long time compare to the time of the dinosaurs but to human being, that's enough to see a genetic difference between now and our ancestors from that time.
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Post by GhostofLandar on Oct 1, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
Infertility might not necessary be a side-effect of the plague but maybe of evolution? The Elder Magi have been present on Magnamund for nearly 10,000 years and it has been 8,000 years since the Great Plague. Maybe that after so many generations, they just naturally became less and less fertile? 10,000 years might not be a very long time compare to the time of the dinosaurs but to human being, that's enough to see a genetic difference between now and our ancestors from that time. I think it might be a bit of both. It's difficult to understand how relatively small homogeneous populations can become so numerous, but we do know that when you reduce a population as happened with the Magi, that it is very hard for it to recover. They may have developed cures or treatments that rendered them less fertile, as well. or Kai and Ishir always intended that they would play a role on Magnamund but eventually return to the Plane of Light as they are not truly mortal creatures (they came from the Plane of Light, unlike humans and Droda who seemed to have evolved on Magnamund, or at least other planets in Aon.)
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Oct 13, 2019 22:34:46 GMT
or Kai and Ishir always intended that they would play a role on Magnamund but eventually return to the Plane of Light as they are not truly mortal creatures (they came from the Plane of Light, unlike humans and Droda who seemed to have evolved on Magnamund, or at least other planets in Aon.) I always thought they evolved on Magnamund. If they came from The Plane of Light wouldn't they be subject to the same restrictions as the Shianti?
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Post by heroaltair2 on Oct 14, 2019 2:53:56 GMT
or Kai and Ishir always intended that they would play a role on Magnamund but eventually return to the Plane of Light as they are not truly mortal creatures (they came from the Plane of Light, unlike humans and Droda who seemed to have evolved on Magnamund, or at least other planets in Aon.) I always thought they evolved on Magnamund. If they came from The Plane of Light wouldn't they be subject to the same restrictions as the Shianti? I don't see why they would have to be restricted, their case is different to Shianti's, since the last ones where basically aliens and they came to Magnamund without "invitation", in a manner of speaking, while the Magi were created and sent for Kai and Ishir with the purpose of defeating and banishing Agarash.
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Post by GhostofLandar on Oct 14, 2019 5:28:16 GMT
I always thought they evolved on Magnamund. If they came from The Plane of Light wouldn't they be subject to the same restrictions as the Shianti? I don't see why they would have to be restricted, their case is different to Shianti's, since the last ones where basically aliens and they came to Magnamund without "invitation", in a manner of speaking, while the Magi were created and sent for Kai and Ishir with the purpose of defeating and banishing Agarash. Yes, like Nyxator, they were part of Kai and Ishir's plan, a counter to Naar sending his son (I've seen him described this way, not sure if it's truly canon). The Shianti were, if not unexpected, then capable of warping threads of that plan because of their power and influence over men. For years I've tried to figure out the rules of the "Game" between Good and Evil. Naar clearly breaks the rules (as you'd expect), but he seems to tolerate Kai and Ishir doing it if he's done it first. But since Good and Evil sent champions to many realms and planets, I don't know what constitutes "cheating" as is done with the Moonstone by Naar in the GM series. Or indeed, why aren't the Orbs that communicate with the Plane of Darkness a form of rule violation? Or why not Shamath going to resurrect Vashna with the Deathstaff (though it seemed to me Shamath would be more powerful than Vashna on Magnamund)? I can only think that the rules such as they are, are that whatever champion goes from the home realm of Good or Evil must be subject to mortality, either through age or at least able to be killed and banished from Aon. I don't know if I can figure out any other, can anyone else? When you think about how we have one weapon forged on the Plane of Light (the Sommerswerd) but there is an entire "armory of the fell legions" on the plane of Darkness, I have to ask why Kai feels bound by rules, other than fear of escalation. Did Shasarak not bring down a demonic horde upon Lissan? I know Grey Star is part of the "plan" but it would be nice for Kai or Ishir to send a few "angels" or demigods every so often. Perhaps the Sinay and Serocca represent that coming down the pike very soon.
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Post by sirbrad on Oct 19, 2019 6:24:04 GMT
Kai has a Plan, a Plan that is heavily predicated on working within the Rules,as he said himself in one of the novels he doesn't care if it takes him an other 10K years or 100G years he will win by following the plan and without braking the rules, otherwise what's the point.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Nov 5, 2019 23:39:29 GMT
Kai has a Plan, a Plan that is heavily predicated on working within the Rules,as he said himself in one of the novels he doesn't care if it takes him an other 10K years or 100G years he will win by following the plan and without braking the rules, otherwise what's the point. Kai is like Dad in the Lego Movie, totally OCD about which races go in which planets- Ishir's like "I'm just going to put my Golden Mary Sue Space Wizards in here..." and Kai is like "No Freaking Way! Every time I get a good table top fantasy battle going you're like 'here come the Golden Wizards to blow all the baddies away..., PewPewPewPewPew!' WELL NOT THIS TIME, SISTER/LOVER! You take these Space Wizards and shove em up where the Dark Don't Shine...!" "Actually, I could do with a wizard now- Naar has one of your Space Wizards and he won't put it back. He's such a [thingy]". "Nuh Uh you said I couldn't put my Space Wizards on your stupid Spaznamund... "Well you could just Train one....?"
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Post by marcheurdescieux on Mar 14, 2022 12:17:56 GMT
I use this entry to post my thoughts about elder magi. I have always enjoy Magnammund for not relying entirely on Tolkien bestiary or Warhammer bestiary. Orks and Giaks fullfil the same role but slightly different as Giaks don't seem to have a dedicated culture and are breed specifically, Dwarves have similarities. And I enjoy magnammund did not have Elves
And then, I rethink the roles of Elder Magi : dying race, enormous prestige, magic race, the only one capable of crafting magical items (dessi stone, platinum amulet, skarn ska and star ska ...)... I wouldn't be surprise actually to see pointy ears beneath the hat of lord rimoah and lord ardan
People could say it is more like Shianti things. From my point of view, if we draw parallel with warhammer fantasy, the Elder Magi are more like High Elves, and the Shiantis more like Slaan mages (with reality warping capacities)
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