mini
Kai Lord
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Post by mini on Apr 23, 2004 13:27:28 GMT
A different kind of difficult enemy - how do you manage the competition for the Silver Bow of Duadon in book 6?
Altan has CP 30, and I had CP 18. Ok, assuming I have WeaponMastery in Bow, I get 21. Still -9 and hopeless.
Would Psi-surge be reasonable? Then it's 25 against 30. Still problematic (and I don't want Psi-surge in book 6 already). Silver Helmet? 27 against 30. This seems maybe doable. But are these really within the rules?
Or am I missing something completely? What's your solution?
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jimy
Kai Lord
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Post by jimy on Apr 23, 2004 13:31:39 GMT
i just did it recently a couple of weeks ago i have to admit i redid it about 5 times until i won lets see, i had cs of 18, plus silver helmet, so thats 20. and i can't remmeber if i had any lore circles or if you could use mind blast but it was a tough fight! i rolled quite a few high ones to beat him
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Post by Ofecks on Apr 23, 2004 15:37:06 GMT
I did this somewhat recently myself. My bonuses were:
+3 Weaponmastery. Obviously.
+2 Mindlbast. I completely finished all of the Kai series, so I had this as an added bonus. I'm sure using this caused Altan some discomfort while he was aiming without being too obvious.
+2 Silver Helm. As the footnotes mention, the CS bonus the helm offers may be purely magical. I interpret this in this case (since it was a pseudo-combat) as help in firing the bow.
+2 Alether. I planned ahead and brought the potion I bought in book 5. Same rules regarding this as above. Alether, as it could easily be interpreted, helps the warrior focus.
Initial CS - 18. With bonuses - 27. Since you're given 50 pseudo-EP to start, a -3 ratio is perfectly acceptable. I won the contest on the first try, btw. ;D
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Nerethel
Kai Lord
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Post by Nerethel on Apr 23, 2004 15:54:27 GMT
My bonuses were: +2 Mindlbast. I completely finished all of the Kai series, so I had this as an added bonus. I'm sure using this caused Altan some discomfort while he was aiming without being too obvious. I don't think that this is a legal move. It's one of those things that makes the transition from Kai to Magnakai so odd in the gamebooks, but you don't keep the bonuses from Mindblast or Weaponskill when you basically 'start over' in the Magnakai series. Still, that puts you at -5, which isn't TOO bad. +2 Silver Helm. As the footnotes mention, the CS bonus the helm offers may be purely magical. I interpret this in this case (since it was a pseudo-combat) as help in firing the bow. Maybe I'm missing something in the several times I've read the books, but I have never encountered the Silver Helm. Where is it, exactly? I've not run through the online versions except the one time, and I certainly missed it there. I, too, found the battle to be about 50/50. The Combat Table is skewed toward your victory, even at negative ratios. Granted, it was VERY close when I played online, but I only had +3 Weaponmastery, +1 Circle of Fire, and a base of 18 CS. In fact, when I played it, it was a tie: we both went below 0 'target points' in the same round. There's no entry for that, so I just rolled again and lost fewer than the other guy and 'won' that way. Kind of a tie-breaking shot. Anyone else ever tie in this contest? Nerethel
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Apr 23, 2004 16:01:27 GMT
I don't think that this is a legal move. It's one of those things that makes the transition from Kai to Magnakai so odd in the gamebooks, but you don't keep the bonuses from Mindblast or Weaponskill when you basically 'start over' in the Magnakai series. Actually, you can keep those bonuses if you played through the previous books. It's called a "loyalty bonus". See the rules handbook at www.projectaon.org/xhtml/misc/rh/mkdisc.htm.
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Post by Ofecks on Apr 23, 2004 16:37:51 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something in the several times I've read the books, but I have never encountered the Silver Helm. Where is it, exactly? I'll type this in small yellow font, so anyone who wishes to avoid a spoiler can easily look away. You'll want to highlight it to read it properly: The Silver Helm is inside Ikaya. Once you get inside, take the west passage when prompted. This will take you to the bottle room (+4 Alether, woo!), and after that, the room with the helm. You'll need one of the following to open the chest: Silver Key from the Crystal Frostwyrm (easiest method), Mind Over Matter (there's a chance it won't work), or a Dagger/Bone Sword (a big chance it won't work). Once the chest is open, put that bad boy on your head!
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 24, 2004 23:40:27 GMT
First off, and without copying everything OFX said above, that is the same way as I've usually handled it.
Those were my thoughts as well, after reading something Dever said about a "hidden bonus" in an interview on another website regarding Healing, Hunting, etc. Reginald must be referring to the same thing.
Now this is a bit tricky. If you DID play the book with Psi-surge, I'm sure it would cause Altan the added discomfort, but I would say you'd have to deduct two points for each round from your actual EP that you use it, not from the EP of the "targets". This would cover the actual mental strain of using the Discipline.
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Post by Sarra on Apr 26, 2004 17:12:06 GMT
The Silver Bow of Duadon was always a pain in the ass in my opinion.
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 26, 2004 20:12:37 GMT
I agree, BUT, it is a very worthwhile one. +3 to all rolls to hit with a bow is very, very nice to be able to rely on.
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Post by Ofecks on Apr 27, 2004 0:55:12 GMT
Agreed. When you hit the Mentora rank and get +8 for every bow roll, you'll never say that again.
However, I recently went through the Magnakai series using a brand new character. I had to skip the bow in favor of the Bronin Warhammer. That extra CS point probably saved my life at the end of book 8 - it put me up one higher combat ratio bracket. So I come to find out completing book 11 is impossible without the Sommerswerd and other CS-boosting items (no Alether potions after book 8). Um... so yeah, the bow is better.
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Post by Sarra on Apr 27, 2004 1:03:10 GMT
Yes the Silver Oak Bow is very worth while in the end.
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 27, 2004 6:31:02 GMT
Bronin Warhammer? Never came across that one. . . guess I'm less of a self-proclaimed expert on Lone Wolf than I thought. First the Grey Crystal Ring, and now this. OFX, you often surprise me with something new. Of course, maybe if I wasn't such a fanatic about winning the Bow every trip through the game I'd find some of these other items.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Apr 27, 2004 12:34:39 GMT
Spoilers:
The Bronin Warhammer is in Castle Taunor; you need Nexus or a rope (which is chancy) to get it. The Bow path automatically makes you skip this opportunity, however.
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Post by Ofecks on Apr 28, 2004 4:15:05 GMT
Of course, maybe if I wasn't such a fanatic about winning the Bow every trip through the game I'd find some of these other items. Heh. Glad to be of service. Well, the next time you play book 6, take a trip to Castle Taunor. Not only can you get two useful items (the Warhammer is one of them), the event can result in one of the most horrifying deaths in the entire LW series (IMO, of course).
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 29, 2004 5:02:35 GMT
You must mean the Yawshaths. I had stumbled across some of their "grisley death" entries in my younger days, when every time I saw the words "Your life and quest end here." on an adjacent entry, I just HAD to see what it was about. I remember seeing them in there, and they always sounded neat--I'd love to see a picture of them, and hope it's in the RPG--but I never encountered them. I think I backwards-traced the entries to read about them (when you look for the entry that says to turn to the section you just read). Now that I think about it, I do remember seeing some other item down in a hole or something like that. Thanks OFX!
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