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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on May 3, 2004 12:19:25 GMT
Actually, you still don't know which path.
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Post by Relenoir on May 5, 2004 11:57:58 GMT
Okay. Thanks for the anti-spoiler!
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on May 5, 2004 21:12:21 GMT
Heh, heh.
He combined the Bow path with the one where you fight Roark's sister.
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Post by Sol on Dec 15, 2004 21:37:14 GMT
What is a Duadon?
Is it a city? Was it a great warrior? Or was it a special kind of wood?
I always wanted to know!
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 15, 2004 21:49:30 GMT
Duadon is a city in Eldenora (or possibly Delden--the border isn't marked, but I think I remember it being in Eldenora). You can see it on the map for 06tkot, across the Storn from Rhem (centre of the map). On the other hand, according to one of the previews of the LWRPG, Silver Bows are a special kind of bow (rare but not unique), and Master Duadon is the man who crafts the very finest Silver Bows. I can only guess that this was carried through into the published book (anyone confirm or deny?)
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Post by Ghost Bear on Dec 16, 2004 10:26:47 GMT
Duadon is the capital of Elendora. You can visit the city in Book 18
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Post by Black Cat on Dec 16, 2004 16:50:32 GMT
Duadon is the capital of Elendora. You can visit the city in Book 18 And again in book 24.
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Post by Sol on Dec 16, 2004 18:43:19 GMT
Many thanks - yes! Thank you! Is Duadon a place or a person? Certainly it seems to be a place... I've yet to visit it as Lone Wolf since I have not yet reached past book 17.
On the other hand, it is interesting that the RPG mentions "Master Duadon." Someone must have created this tidbit for the RPG in order to explain the bow's origin. Now, could the city be named after this person? That would be OK as well, especially if he was a baron or some such.
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Post by columbob on Dec 16, 2004 21:45:56 GMT
On the other hand, it is interesting that the RPG mentions "Master Duadon." Someone must have created this tidbit for the RPG in order to explain the bow's origin. Now, could the city be named after this person? That would be OK as well, especially if he was a baron or some such. Or maybe it's the other way around, he was named after the city.
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 17, 2004 9:12:32 GMT
Or maybe it's the other way around, he was named after the city. I'd say so (if any connection is intended). The city is probably older than any one bowyer, right? At best, there was an 'original' Master Duadon, some time back, after whom the city was named; and the one the RPG refers to in the present tense is a descendant (in bloodline or craft). Still a bit of a stretch.
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Post by Sol on Dec 17, 2004 16:28:10 GMT
Perhaps "The Bowmaster of Duadon" was shortened to simply "Master Duadon." That seems okay.
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Post by kai on Jan 5, 2019 16:30:58 GMT
The bonuses I add for the contest are 19, base, + 2, mindblast, +2, silver helmet, +1, lore circle of fire, +3, weaponmastery with bow. That leads to a cs of 27, but I fight the newer version where altan has a cs of 28.
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Post by bravestar on Jan 9, 2019 18:30:34 GMT
I reread Book 6 recently and I tried doing it various ways (including against the new vs old Altan stats, with/without mindblast and/or the Silver Helmet) although in all cases I had CS 19, +1 for Lore Circle of Fire, and Weaponsmastery with a Bow. With the new versions in Statskeeper I was able to win relatively easily without mindblast or the Silver Helmet, but the odds dropped significantly without both and I used alether I'd brought (the +4 CS distilled one from Caverns of Kalte rather than the one I got in Shadow on The Sand). As far as 'justification' goes... well mindblast and psi-surge are both known repeatedly to have various effects that would be beneficial i such a confrontation. It can be used to affect the nervous system of the opponent (such as causing them pain in their hand or to drop stuff, like section 133 of FotW where the sailor acts as if he 'picked up a red hot coal'or section 45 of SotS where you 'rob it of all feeling and control'. Further, mindblast was used in Section 14 of Fire on the Water for the arm wrestling contest (to win Crowns) by disrupting the concentration and knocking out your opponent. As an aside WRT 'morality' of such actions - the choices we're presented in LW have often allowed the protagonist to engage in morally ambigious actions (like slaughter of innocent guardsmen) in the pursuit of quests and there are many other contests (like the one above) where Kai skills are used to the protagonist's benfit (KoT even mentions in the first page that Lone Wolf uses his kai skills to win money for his journey.) Whilst LW is a 'good' and 'honorable' sort, I think its not the same as, say, an AD&D Paladin. There is some wiggle room, and I'd say that also applies to Alether. If the above rationalizations aren't happy I'll also note that section 54 of Caverns of Kalte and Section 186 of Kingdoms of Terror mention using mindblast to physically affect solid (nonliving) matter and inferring that mindblast/psi-surge can have a psychokinetic component (consistent with MB/PS being an alternative to Mind over Matter or Nexus in those examples.) Given what 'improved disciplines' in later Magnakai and Grand Master adventures suggest for MB/PS/KS this seems reasonabl and would justify a 'bonus' without necessarily affecting Altan directly (although you could do that too, I bet.) For that matter, it's likely if we were talking a 'tournament' other disciplines would also be useful: Mind over Matter/Nexus for the same reasons as Mindblast (you could arguably substitute those in a 'House Rules' context) Huntmastery (which in its various Kai, MK and GM iterations offer plenty of combat-related benefits that it stands to reason it might help you in an archery contest, which is far more situational than your typical combat.) Divination and Sixth Sense (which often help with anticipating courses of action and winning games of chance and suchlike. I could see precognition helping you maximize your archery potential.) As a final note: We also know that Weaponskill gave a flat bonus to missile weapon use in books 4 section 207/ section 249 and with the Jakan in section 56 and blowpipe in section 325 of Shadow on the Sand. So that might also be a potential (loyalty based) 'bonus', although one could argue that the Weaponmastery bonus for the Bow would supersede this (the same way it does for the CS bonus for same.) And as many others have noted, the Silver Helm gives nebulous 'magical properties' which aid in combat (not unlike other magical gear like the kagonite chainmail) and might also give bonuses depending on what you think the Helmet does (again as others have noted if it were purely protective it likely would give an EP bonus, unlike the shield which gives a CS bonus) Ultimately I would weigh the rules in favor of what gives a given character the 'best chances' for victory. If you have a lower CS (or simply don't want to min/max your LW character just to have a chance against Altan) then interpreting the various rules to allow things like the Silver Helmet, Psi-Surge/Mindblast, or the Alether make more sense.
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