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Post by nigthhunter on Sept 6, 2005 16:11:26 GMT
Cerebro Vasculair Accident
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Post by Al on Sept 7, 2005 8:48:20 GMT
Oh... I guess you do learn a new thing every day Al
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Post by kharille on Sept 7, 2005 12:28:11 GMT
Just a thought but if its possible to have concentrated Alether then what could be wrong with scoffing two handfuls of Alether berries?
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Post by Al on Sept 7, 2005 12:29:44 GMT
I would guess that in the refinement process it is made safe, two handfuls of the berries may be an overdose. But just a thought, Al
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Post by nigthhunter on Sept 7, 2005 19:40:33 GMT
I don't know if a rule exist about how many potions that we can take before/after a combat.
Can we take two potions of Laumpur after a combat or two potion of Alether before?
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Sept 7, 2005 20:34:12 GMT
I think you can keep using Laumspur until you're fully healed, but I don't know if Alether can stack like that.
I think Altan was an adgana-head, anyway, for no reason other than the multiple letter "A"s. Curse you, letter A! Curse you to heck!!!
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Post by champskees on Jan 6, 2019 11:30:57 GMT
Strength is definitely a factor in archery. You need a lot of arm strength to bend the bow steadily and accurately without wavering, and to be able to bend it enough to send the arrow the distance you need it to go. I would count Alether during the archery contest as at least being *possible*. This is an old thread, but that was exactly what I was thinking. Upper body strength makes a big difference, anyone who has shot a real bow would agree. For the archery combat, I am totally ok with: - Using Alether - Using Silver Helm - Using Mindblast The only one I am not sure about is Psi Surge, as each time you use it you should be losing 2 EN, which conflicts with the instructions on para 26, 'your normal ENDURANCE score remains unchanged during the contest'. Taking 2 ep off your target score seems wrong, as the 2 extra damage is from your exertions. The text does say that the normal rules for combat apply, and there are no rules saying you can't use Psi Surge in this particular instance... Anyone got an opinion here on how to treat this? Personally i'm thinking the 2en will come off my 50 target points each round, as the whole combat ratio situation seems very abstract and doesn't really work as well in situations like these i.e. just because my opponent has a high CS shouldn't reduce the amount of points I score and vice versa, considering we are shooting independent targets.
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Post by Nym90 on Jan 6, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
It doesn't make sense to me that Mindblast would be allowed but not Psi-Surge (the text about your normal Endurance score remaining unchanged notwithstanding). There are no other examples in the books where you can use a less powerful mental attack discipline but not the more powerful version. I would say subtract two real endurance points per round for use of Psi-Surge. I don't see why Psi-Surge would reduce your target points--it makes you better at shooting your bow, but weakens you physically. I agree with you on the rest of what can and can't be allowed. You are correct that the combat is not designed very logically.
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Post by Ofecks on Jan 6, 2019 21:39:43 GMT
Taking 2 ep off your target score seems wrong, as the 2 extra damage is from your exertions. I disagree. Let's say the normal 2 EP loss in combat is due to a side effect of a headache (or something) after using the skill. I'd expect that trying to shoot a bow/arrow while your head is throbbing will definitely affect the outcome of the shot. Psi-surge is fair game, and losing 2 target points per round is as well. It's not a perfect solution because you're still not losing EP for using it.
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Post by bravestar on Jan 9, 2019 18:43:32 GMT
I'd say it depends on how you interpret the loss and it could go either way. EP is an abstracted measurement of vairous things which include stamina/fatigue/etc. Fatigue or any other additional exertions (on top of the archery) are bound to negatively impact performance and make you lose the contest. Keeping track of the Psi Surge usage as a 'separate' cost to deduct from your EP would be closer to a strict interpretation of PS use, but I also think it would shift the odds given you're using two separate 'pools' for the same combat-like encounter (although if the match goes on long enough, 2 EP per round lost can add up to risk for future combats esp if you don't have much healing)
I'd say it depends more on what would be 'fair' for a given Altan fight. If you have a lower-than-max CS then subtracting from your innate EP would probably be better for that fight.
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Post by champskees on Jan 9, 2019 23:57:53 GMT
Thankyou for the responses. I thought I would just attach a quick analysis of the Altan CS28 version. I played 1,000,000 times for each CS, results below: Depending on how you resolved the Psi-Blast EP issue, you could potentially add another 2CS to lone wolf. Off the top of my head, without the use of alether, a CS 10/11 character has about 1% of winning. I will also note that in the event of a tie i.e. both Altan and Lone Wolf target points reduced to 0 in the same round, I counted that as a loss. So these figures are actually on the conservative side. All in all, I think Dever gives LW a fairly decent chance to pick up the bow.
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Post by champskees on Jan 10, 2019 5:00:33 GMT
Just a quick clarification from the same book on para 2...
Are you able to buy as many of the same potion as you want? Going by the description on para 19, it seems as though this is the Walmart of apothecaries. 'Towers of containered liquids, mountains of coarse grained powders'... surely this implies you can order whatever quantity you want? The 'per dose' description of some of the potions in section 2 points towards same. Thinking along the lines of healing and stocking up on Alether.
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Post by Nym90 on Jan 10, 2019 15:11:38 GMT
Just a quick clarification from the same book on para 2... Are you able to buy as many of the same potion as you want? Going by the description on para 19, it seems as though this is the Walmart of apothecaries. 'Towers of containered liquids, mountains of coarse grained powders'... surely this implies you can order whatever quantity you want? The 'per dose' description of some of the potions in section 2 points towards same. Thinking along the lines of healing and stocking up on Alether. I took that to mean simply that there is a great variety of potions available, not necessarily a great quantity of each.
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Post by Nym90 on Jan 10, 2019 22:37:31 GMT
Thankyou for the responses. I thought I would just attach a quick analysis of the Altan CS28 version. I played 1,000,000 times for each CS, results below: Depending on how you resolved the Psi-Blast EP issue, you could potentially add another 2CS to lone wolf. Off the top of my head, without the use of alether, a CS 10/11 character has about 1% of winning. I will also note that in the event of a tie i.e. both Altan and Lone Wolf target points reduced to 0 in the same round, I counted that as a loss. So these figures are actually on the conservative side. All in all, I think Dever gives LW a fairly decent chance to pick up the bow. Interesting. So if using Psi-Surge is acceptable, even a character starting with the minimum of 10 CS could be more likely than not to obtain the bow if they make the optimal choice of disciplines (Psi-Surge, Weaponmastery with bow, and Huntmastery for the Lore Circle of Fire) and have a potion of Alether and the Silver Helm. That seems about right to me. It is supposed to be a difficult but not impossible contest.
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