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Post by swiftstryke on Jul 13, 2004 0:30:59 GMT
I haven't played the books in a while, but I know that it states that if you enter Combat carrying a weapon in which you are skilled, add "x" points to your Combat Skill. Since you can carry two weapons, do you play that if you are skilled on both that you can effectively double the effect of Weaponskill/Mastery?
If so, what about the Sommerswerd and weaponlike special items?
Just curious...
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Post by Sarra on Jul 13, 2004 2:11:44 GMT
Well with Weaponskill you are only skilled in 1 weapon. However with Weaponmastery... The rules on this were never very clear but I always followed it as such. Let's say that I have Weaponmastery in Dagger, Short Sword, Axe. And I am carrying a Short Sword and an Axe. They are both single-handed weapons so I can use both in combat at the same time. So you would be able to double the effects. With the Sommerswerd I often used the Sommerswerd and the Bronin Warhammer at the same time. Whether this is 'allowed' or not I do not know.
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 13, 2004 2:18:20 GMT
Ah, here's the thread! I always went with the one-weapon-at-a-time method, assuming that was how Joe meant for it to be. Ronan does, however, make some interesting interpretations for how the game may be played, and it's always interesting to read someone else's new ideas! Even so, I think Joe meant for you to be using one of the weapons, and if you could do otherwise, he'd have written it in.
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Post by swiftstryke on Jul 13, 2004 2:31:10 GMT
I have always used the one weapon rule myself, but after getting killed by Kimah, the Chaos-Master, the Villains and Ixiataaga about a thousand times, I am desperate!
Not that the Legends books are canon or anything, but in them Lone Wolf frequently uses two weapons. Joe obviously okay'd this for the novels, so why not adapt this for the gamebooks?
With the Bronin Warhammer it will help against those ridiculously hard combats if I could use it in conjunction w/ the 'swerd...
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 13, 2004 21:45:10 GMT
I always asked myself why did Joe bothered to tell us if a weapon could be use with one hand or not, but with what I see in this post, it makes more sense now. To know if a weapon can be use with one hand determines if you can use it with another one. For what other reasons did Joe decided to waste his time by writing those details then? I'll still fight with one weapon at the time tough, because that is the way I always played and it isn't that bad.
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 14, 2004 2:29:58 GMT
I was thinking more about this thread, and then I remembered something from Shadow on the Sand:Sounds to me like Joe intended for Kai Lords to only use one weapon at a time, due to this entry. The information above is, of course: Text copyright © 1985 Joe Dever. Illustrations copyright © 1985 Gary Chalk
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Post by ARK on Jul 14, 2004 6:47:59 GMT
If Joe Dever did not want Lone Wolf to be able to use two weapons at the same time, then why did he limit weapons to only two (one carried in each hand)? However in many places he did state that bonuses don't stack (like weaponskill and weaponmastery), so you probably would not benefit much.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Jul 15, 2004 12:45:15 GMT
Sounds to me like Joe intended for Kai Lords to only use one weapon at a time, due to this entry. Could using two weapons be justified in the Magnakai series and above though? Seeing as in the Kai series, you could only master one weapon anyway? Just a thought. -GB
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Post by swiftstryke on Jul 15, 2004 18:14:08 GMT
That's an interesting thought. Maybe that explains why you can get a shiedl in the earlier Kai books, to supplement only having one weapon skilled. (Assuming you have Weaponskill)
Maybe in the Magnakai books you can use two weapons. The rules state that when you enter combat carrying a weapon in which you are skilled, add "x" points to your combat skill. Then it says, "Remember, you can only carry TWO WEAPONS." So this is the source of the original question. It seems that the rules aren't explicitly clear about this. It would be nice to hear from Joe regarding this...was this ever mentioned in any of the newsletters?
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 16, 2004 6:44:59 GMT
I always assumed you could only use one weapon at a time (and for me, the above quoted passage from 'Shadow on the Sand' confirmed this)...
...there is a bit in - oh, 'Dungeons of Torgar', is it? - where it explicitly makes plain that some weapons are two-handed (broadsword, warhammer,....? I forget) - the point there being the many of us then went "oh? so we can't use a shield with those 2-handed weapons then, can we?"
But yes, Lone Wolf is often depicted in the 'Legends' books as wielding two weapons at once! But I doubt this can really be considered canonical in terms of the game book rules! (for instance, Lone Wolf also DIES in the Legends in Ragadorn!!)
The only time I always use "two" weapons is in the Grey Star books - I find I need every last combat skill point I can get, so I take the jewelled dagger at the start, and use it with my wizard's staff for an extra +1CS. This may sound dubious, but then I always wondered what the point of the jewelled dagger was then anyway?! (as it would just mean you'd only get -5CS for not having your staff, rather than -6CS...... and this could hardly be held to be a "red herring", cos if you didn't understand that, then you wouldn't follow the rules like that anyway!)
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 16, 2004 10:56:00 GMT
Interesting point, although I can't picture wielding the staff effectively in combat with only one hand any more than I could picture Darth Maul wielding his double-bladed lightsabre with one hand. Sure, it fires bolts from a distance, but in close combat I'm sure you'd need both hands to "hit" somebody with it. I like the idea though!
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Post by Cantlogin on Jul 16, 2004 13:12:56 GMT
From the "Improved Disciplines" bit in The Darke Crusade:
Grand Weaponmastery Sun Knights with this Discipline are able to wield two-handed weapons (i.e. Broadsword, Quarterstaff, Spear) with full effect, using only one hand.
So perhaps you can use TWO staffs at the same time???
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 16, 2004 16:01:33 GMT
See, that's what I pointed out earlier: why Joe tells us that you can use weapons with one or two hands? In fact, it doesn't change anything if you still fight with 1 weapon at the time, but it means a lot if you want to fight with two weapons at the same time. It's surely not because it allows you to us a shield because you can't bring a shield in the Grand Master series from the precedent series.
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 16, 2004 16:06:37 GMT
Yeah but the annoying inconsistant thing is:
a Shield was an available special item ever since "Fire on the Water", but we were never ever told before that we couldn't use it in conjunction with a "two-handed weapon"...
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 16, 2004 22:08:41 GMT
Maybe Joe tought it was so obvious that he forgot to write it?
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