deiseach
Kai Lord
Champion of the Sommerswerd
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Post by deiseach on May 3, 2004 11:23:42 GMT
Yeah I know exactly what you mean. But you can't really MAKE anybody follow the rules now can you? God (or should that be [guy with white beard in the sky]) forbid, no. It's meant to be entertaining, not an exercise in bookeeping
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Post by Storm Dancer on May 3, 2004 11:42:18 GMT
Surely part of the point of the raised difficulty with the Sommerswerd is it's just another way of Dever asking if you've played through the originals and are getting all his sneaky hidden bonuses, in which case you've probably done the Magnakai series as well, and would have lots of nice powerful skills...
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Post by SuperNovice on May 3, 2004 22:22:33 GMT
A lot of people seem to have some manner of SuperMagnaGrandIncredibleStupendousKai powers which allows them to retrieve it from the Monastery at the start of the adventure at which they'll need it. Useful if you know how I just left it behind for every adventure after 6. I'm thinking of rerreading the series, in which case I will leave it behind in every adventure. Surely part of the point of the raised difficulty with the Sommerswerd is it's just another way of Dever asking if you've played through the originals and are getting all his sneaky hidden bonuses, in which case you've probably done the Magnakai series as well, and would have lots of nice powerful skills... I understand this. I just found that I was better off grabbing all those bonuses and using the Dagger instead. I end up fighting a fight that I have a real chance to win that way. From reading the responses, I think the difference is that I'm not a roleplayer. I never have been and probably never will be. I see the books as a challenge to get through in one piece. I tone down some skills to make the books more challenging but I believe using the Sommerswerd goes overboard in increasing the difficulty, so I don't use it.
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Post by Relenoir on May 5, 2004 17:41:58 GMT
Not really. From what I can recall off the top of my head, you can use it one book later against Haakon, book 8 against the Helghast, in book 9 against the Zakhan, and in book 12 against the Darklords. There are probably others, but I don't have my books here.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on May 6, 2004 12:30:55 GMT
You can't use it against Haakon, just the Sommerswerd or the Doomstone.
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Post by Relenoir on May 7, 2004 11:11:42 GMT
HEY! You know what: you're right. I just always assumed it could be used against him, but I always had the Sommerswerd with me, so I never tried. Guess I shouldn't post without my books handy on this type of thing. Well, I should know what happens when I assume. . .
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Post by Vonotar on May 9, 2004 12:33:56 GMT
HEY! You know what: you're right. I just always assumed it could be used against him, but I always had the Sommerswerd with me, so I never tried. Guess I shouldn't post without my books handy on this type of thing. Well, I should know what happens when I assume. . . And in fact, you can't use it against the Gnaag Heleghast either!
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Post by Relenoir on May 9, 2004 20:24:23 GMT
ARGHHHHH!!!!! You're right: I just looked and it's Lord Paido's sword you can use. Should be able to use the Dagger, I suppose. Nobody's going to believe my posts any more after this little debaucle. . .
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Post by Vonotar on May 9, 2004 20:39:53 GMT
ARGHHHHH!!!!! You're right: I just looked and it's Lord Paido's sword you can use. Should be able to use the Dagger, I suppose. Nobody's going to believe my posts any more after this little debaucle. . . You're right, the Dagger of Vashna should be usable in these situations. Personally, I think the Magic Spear should be offered as an option. It's just the only special weapon that gets totally forgotten about after it is introduced (possibly the same is true of the Jewelled Mace?). Maybe it is assumed that you'll forget all about the spear once you get your hands on the Sommerswerd...
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Post by Relenoir on May 9, 2004 20:56:08 GMT
Actually, I just found a place in book 14 where they prompt for it against a Helghast along with Helshezag and the DoV. No magic spear though. . .
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 9, 2004 21:04:15 GMT
[the Magic Spear]'s just the only special weapon that gets totally forgotten about after it is introduced [...] Are you sure it's possible to keep the spear up to the end of Fire on the Water? I dimly seem to recall that if you take the spear into Tarnalin, you have to fight one of the Helghasts, and if you win, you leave the spear jutting from the Helghast's chest and run away. (I probably only remember that because it's rather ... unwise ... to do that - there could easily be more Helghasts between you and the exit!) Concerning the Dagger of Vashna, though, I would agree. That little critter's able to kill a Darklord, after all! Should be able to off a pesky Helghast, then. (Especially as any enchanted weapon should be able of wounding a Helghast. That's how they were introduced, wasn't it? As immune to non-magical weapons?) The Wytch-King
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Post by Relenoir on May 9, 2004 21:07:52 GMT
This is true, unless of course you have the right ability and meet the Noodnics. Then you could make it out of the cave with the spear!
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Post by Vonotar on May 9, 2004 21:20:59 GMT
Are you sure it's possible to keep the spear up to the end of Fire on the Water? I dimly seem to recall that if you take the spear into Tarnalin, you have to fight one of the Helghasts, and if you win, you leave the spear jutting from the Helghast's chest and run away. (I probably only remember that because it's rather ... unwise ... to do that - there could easily be more Helghasts between you and the exit!) You get a choice to flee with the spear still embedded in the Heleghast, or to stay and make sure you finish the job. If you run, you lose EP for your injured throat. If you stay and kill it, then you can keep the spear, and don't lose any EP. I took a liking to the Magic Spear, and carried it around for the rest of the Kai series. Was annoyed that I never got an opportunity to use it!
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Post by SuperNovice on May 10, 2004 1:20:04 GMT
Strangely enough, I never did get the spear. I ended up taking the right skill by sheer luck. I took it in the second book because I remembered a couple spots in the first book where it would have been good to have. I reasoned that it might prove more useful than I had originally thought based on the first book. I was right as it turns out.
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Post by AlbinoChocobo on May 10, 2004 13:28:19 GMT
It makes sense in a way : you might miss the spear, but you can't miss the Sommerswerd (end of book 2 ?). If you have the spear, you have the sommerswerd, making the spear rather obsolete.
Plus the spear doesn't kill Helgasts, remember what happens when you pull it out. I don't think the creature would have survived (surdied ?) being nailed with the sw.
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