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Post by outspaced on Feb 22, 2005 10:03:06 GMT
Yeah, but it isn't something having style that I dislike per se, it's the style of style. Sure, AD has a particular style that sets it apart, but it isn't a knowing smile; I don't get the impression that the writers/directors are smirking at me through the screen telling me how clever they are, how cool their product is, how meaningful. Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Or then again, maybe I'm just grumpy. But I can say for certain that the three shows you note hold no appeal for me whatsoever. What was the general reaction to your discourse? I would imagine they had a typical big business attitude: "Those things are rather popular; how can we steal the essence of them without changing what we've done for 60 years and thereby destroy their popularity and ensure our continued longevity?" Then again, I don't particularly like the Disney corporation for lots of reasons, but initially it was because Walt Disney didn't like beards. What's wrong with having a beard, Walt, you fascistic copyright Nazi?? Still, sounds as though I'd really enjoy Kenshin from what you've said!
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Post by Relenoir on Feb 22, 2005 16:06:53 GMT
Then again, I don't particularly like the Disney corporation for lots of reasons, but initially it was because Walt Disney didn't like beards. What's wrong with having a beard, Walt, you fascistic copyright Nazi?? Hey, that's not true! He gave six out of seven dwarfs a beard! ;D I'm assuming (but don't know if I'm doing so correctly!) that the beard thing you're referring to is the fact that Disney cast members must be clean shaven, etc. This is a tradition of 'good show' that has been upheld at the Disney theme parks for almost fifty years, Walt wanting everyone to be as well manicured as the park attractions and landscape. I can see how facial hair could become 'out of hand' and take away from the perfect fantasy appearance he was trying to create. Two reasons I probably could never work at Disney: I have long hair, and I hate to shave every day (usually do every third day or so)! Of course, I have thought of applying just to be rejected so I could bring a sexual discrimination suit against them! Plenty of women work there with long hair! I'd settle for lifetime passes for my family and I, plus lodging. . . ;D Much as my wife and I love Disney, most of our dislike stems from current management, i.e. Michael Eisner, Richard Iger, and the rest of Eisner's slaves from ABC. Walt and his family have done a great amount for the entertainment industry, especially in animation.I'd tend to agree with that; good series! ~Relenoir, who once in a great while will have a good-natured difference of opinion with Outspaced.
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Post by Doomy on Feb 22, 2005 16:25:13 GMT
not everyone loves Lone Wolf HERESY!Just kidding - if this weren't true the books would still be in print, Project Aon would not exist, and I would be able to buy the New Order series.
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Post by Zipp on Feb 22, 2005 17:53:08 GMT
Yeah, it's unfortunate that 70% of the people who didn't like lone wolf were publishers.
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Post by Zipp on Feb 22, 2005 18:05:50 GMT
Yeah, but it isn't something having style that I dislike per se, it's the style of style. Sure, AD has a particular style that sets it apart, but it isn't a knowing smile; I don't get the impression that the writers/directors are smirking at me through the screen telling me how clever they are, how cool their product is, how meaningful. I agree. I just don't think the other shows (barring cowboy bebop) do this either. Actually, I rarely feel that the emphasis is on "how cool we are." To be honest, some of the shows that come closest to doing this, if you really stop and look at them, are shows like Kenshin. I think all shows have a defenite style, but I think if one looks at, say, Vampire D Bloodlust, and says "oh this is cool, and they obviously are making the show to tell us that," then you would have to be wrong. For instance, Evangelion's director was not focused on style at all. He pretty much hated his fans and was a very disturbed person for a while, before leaving the anime industry in disgust to go work on live action. He has since returned to do such shows as His and Her Circumstances. It's like this: not everything that has meaning is actually trying to beat it into you, while there are many things without meaning which end up beating nothing into you. Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Or then again, maybe I'm just grumpy. But I can say for certain that the three shows you note hold no appeal for me whatsoever. Should they? By all means, go ahead and hate the shows. Knowing what I do about your likes and dislikes, they aren't ones I would've recomended to you. What was the general reaction to your discourse? I would imagine they had a typical big business attitude: "Those things are rather popular; how can we steal the essence of them without changing what we've done for 60 years and thereby destroy their popularity and ensure our continued longevity?" The higher ups didn't get it, and of course were interested in this, but I sorta beat into them that anime isn't about the artwork or the style, but about the story and characters (which is why I prefer things like Boogiepop and Bloodlust over Kenshin), as well as the very adult themes which go places other than "princess saved by wonderful guy." The younger staff seemed to get it. Still, sounds as though I'd really enjoy Kenshin from what you've said! Or haven't said? Yeah, I'd recommend it for you. Along those lines, you may dislike the prequel, however, as it might fall under what you call a stylistic piece.
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Post by ra on Mar 16, 2005 17:03:19 GMT
I just recently got into anime. I spent the last few months watching a few different series, and I really enjoy it.
I watched episodes 1-63 of Kenshin, and I liked it, especially the beginning. I watched the OVA prequels as well, which was very different, but also enjoyable.
Currently I'm watching Naruto (also reading the naruto manga), which is quite good.
I saw few a episodes of Azumanga Daioh and it really is very funny. I'm planning to get/borrow the whole series soon(I have a friend who collects anime).
Is there anyting really good that anyone would recommend watching?
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Post by Zipp on Mar 16, 2005 19:41:28 GMT
I can recommend a whole bunch of stuff. I'll PM you later on (this offer is made to anyone who wants anime recommendations. Just Pm me with your likes and dislikes and I'll set you up. Enjoyment guaranteed!)
By the way, I'm currently watching Now and Then, Here and There. This is an excellent piece. Outspaced, I think you'd like it. It has a very serious story mixed with a bit of fantasy. Very strong characters. It also lets you decide what to get from the show.
Of course, that recomendation isn't just for Outspaced, I reccomend it to all of you. However, this is no walk in the park. Very powerful show, a rough lover.
By the by, has anyone seen Grave of the Fireflies, besides myself? If you're in the mood to cry your soul out, then I reccomend it.
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Post by Ofecks on Mar 17, 2005 18:36:04 GMT
Yeah, I have it on DVD. Brutal, powerful stuff. I read somewhere that it's part of the history curriculum in some Japanese schools.
My girlfriend just bought the Love Hina series. I've seen the fansubs, and we've both read some of the manga. We really like it. Watching poor Keitaro get the crap kicked out of him never seems to get old.
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Post by Zipp on Mar 17, 2005 18:54:30 GMT
I've seen Love Hina. I like it, but I think Ranma was better done. And nothing beats Golden Boy. Nothing comes close.
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Post by Sol on Mar 17, 2005 21:36:25 GMT
My girlfriend just bought the Love Hina series. I've seen the fansubs, and we've both read some of the manga. We really like it. Watching poor Keitaro get the crap kicked out of him never seems to get old. Seriously, I have a friend who HATES Love Hina for just this reason. We're all like, "Come on and watch this, it is SO funny," and then after like ten minutes he's like "How can they TREAT him that way??? He didn't even do anything wrong, it wasn't even his FAULT!" Then we are forced to turn it off and watch something like Battle Angel Alita.
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Post by outspaced on Mar 17, 2005 21:53:44 GMT
I've seen Love Hina. I like it, but I think Ranma was better done. And nothing beats Golden Boy. Nothing comes close. Ranma 1/2 was the anime that got me into anime! The manga's better than the anime, though. Takahashi basically invented the "harem romantic slapstick comedy" with Urusei Yatsura, from what I've read (I'm sure Zipp will point out where I'm wrong! ), but I never really got into that. Ranma just has more likeable unlikeable characters. And it's filled with lots of "hidden" in-jokes and puns that you have to get someone who can speak and read Japanese fluently to explain to you. What I liked about it right away (aside from the nauseatingly catchy opening theme from the 1st season) was it ignored science in favour of a funny story; it didn't try to explain how and why things were happening, they just happened. Re: Grave of the Fireflies--Just reading some comments about it on IMDB a few months baack was tear-jerking. I'm afraid I don't think I'm up to such a depressing experience. Now and Then, Here and There--never heard of it, but that's not surprising since we barely get any anime over here. And it's all mega-expensive. Do you have any links to sites about it, Zipp? If not, I'm sure I'll be able to turn something up, but you might know of a more official site. (Or where I can find scanslations--not that I condone that sort of thing. )
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Post by Zipp on Mar 17, 2005 22:01:34 GMT
Ranma 1/2 was the anime that got me into anime! The manga's better than the anime, though. Takahashi basically invented the "harem romantic slapstick comedy" with Urusei Yatsura, from what I've read (I'm sure Zipp will point out where I'm wrong! No, you are absolutely right, Takahashi started the whole "Boy versus Girl in Hopeless Romantic Situation" genre. You know, I don't download anime simply because I don't have the correct programs installed, but it's not a bad idea, because there is alot of stuff available only through fan subs. Especially in Europe. Now, since you guys have region two DVD players, I can't really suggest a good place to buy Now and Then. And actually, there aren't many sites on it, either, for some unexplicable reason. Here's one of the few I've found. It's actually not my favorite, I think the author was a bit biased against the depressing moments in the show. However, he is very thourough in his review. www.sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/nowandthen/Some more rave reviews: www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=378This one's a bit more defenitive: www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=325Do a google image search if you want to find a lot of pics from the show. Oh, and it's not near as depressing as Grave of the Fireflies, despite what you may hear. I'm not sure I know what a scanslation is, unless you mean fansubs.
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Post by outspaced on Mar 18, 2005 10:05:37 GMT
Thing about fansubs is they're so B-I-G and few people seem to share them. Scanslation = fan translation of the manga. I was assuming there was a manga version available? (Would be much smaller/faster to download, and would give a feeling for the series.) If not, I guess it's back to the dubious delights of file-sharing.
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Post by Relenoir on Mar 18, 2005 10:36:00 GMT
Aw, come on. That's like disliking Inuyasha because he has an attitude most of the time and beats up on Shippo, or not liking Yu Yu Hakusho because they all pick on Kuwabara relentlessly. I think that's a riot, and part of the charm of the shows. ;D
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Post by Zipp on Mar 18, 2005 19:11:20 GMT
Aw, come on. That's like disliking Inuyasha because he has an attitude most of the time and beats up on Shippo, or not liking Yu Yu Hakusho because they all pick on Kuwabara relentlessly. I think that's a riot, and part of the charm of the shows. ;D Personally I think everyone is Love Hina is pretty much a moron and therefore free to have as much [nuts] beaten out of them as the director desires. And I'm really telling you guys, you have to see Golden boy. Someone go rent it just so I can feel apeased.
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