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Post by outspaced on Jul 1, 2004 6:10:52 GMT
If that is the case, then it could go either way. Dever would not be the first author to contradict his earlier writings by not doing enough research! Either the 4 should be a 7, or the 50 should be 47. Since the reference to MS5054 is more recent, it might be considered more reliable; but with just one occurrence compared to the two direct statements in the Newsletters and the Magnamund Companion there is some doubt as to its accuracy. Personally, I'd still assume the LW22 quote is a typo (could anyone provide a section #, BTW?), but the other timeline does make some sense to me, now. Of course, Dever also stated that Grey Star is but one year older than Lone Wolf in Newsletter New Year Special 1986 in the Monastery Mailbag section. Grey Star would have been a bit young (12 or 13) at the start of his quest if it took place in MS5047.
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Post by Sarra on Jul 2, 2004 21:43:23 GMT
It clearly states in every single Grey Star book that you are sixteen years old.
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 12, 2004 0:27:59 GMT
I guess since it is Dever's universe, he is allowed creative license to alter what is in print already. I suppose that means there is one higher level in Aon's pantheon who Naar, Kai, and Ishir all answer to and worship: Joe! I'm sure he'd admit to it as well; everyone knows that when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES! Looks like Grey Star's vacation to the Daziarn just got cut short by about three years. . . Ah, wish that I could provide a section number. . . Maybe even too young to have noticed Tanith! ~Relenoir, still trying to catch up on threads.
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Post by ARK on Jul 12, 2004 6:27:46 GMT
The Grey Star story may acctually make more sense if he only spent 4 years in the Daziarn not 7.
I say this for two reasons.
1. If you look at the events that are described as happening in Magnamund, not much happens. The Shianti describe the seige of Karnali and the expansion of the Freedom Guild but that could all have taken place in just a year or two, not almost a decade. Shasarak did nothing for seven years. Someone murdered one of his Shadakine Wytches and Shasarak just sat there. Unlike the Darklords who can't survive outside the Darklands, nothing prevented him from attacking directly and ending the rebellion. The only possible reason for his lack of reaction could be the cost of creating the Jahaska but I have a hard time beliving that it took him seven years to recover.
2. Lone Wolf was in the Daziarn for 8 years. According to one of the newsletters he actually aged 3 months during that time. Grey Star seems to have spent far less time in the Daziarn yet it took him almost the same amount of Aon time.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 12, 2004 18:57:29 GMT
Lone Wolf was in the Daziarn for 8 years. According to one of the newsletters he actually aged 3 months during that time. Grey Star seems to have spent far less time in the Daziarn yet it took him almost the same amount of Aon time. Maybe the time flow is different depending of where you stand in the Daziarn? Grey Star went in the Neverness of the Daziarn, where LW didn't go, so maybe it had an impact on the time flow?
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Post by outspaced on Jul 12, 2004 19:12:36 GMT
Actually, Lone Wolf does venture into the Neverness. According to The Prisoners of Time Section 265: That said, there is no reason why time as relative to Magnamund shouldn't travel at differing speeds in the various and distinct realms of the Daziarn. The Realm of Paradox, for example, is the home of the Chaos-master. (Did you mean Realm of Paradox, BlackCat?) As to why Shasarak would appear to have done nothing in the extra four years--it's because he's an archetypal villain with little or no imagination. Maybe he held some toga parties or something!
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 12, 2004 19:30:54 GMT
Did you mean Realm of Paradox, BlackCat? Hum...yeah...sure...that was...that was what I wanted to say, yeah, Realm of Paradox... Actually, I forgot about that Neverness part from The Prisonners Of Time. It is not as much described that it is in Beyond The Nightmare Gate, so maybe that's why I did not remember it. Anyway, Grey Star went into a different Neverness than Lone Wolf. To get out of his Neverness, LW had to walk across it, but GS had to past literally thru the floor of his. Maybe that difference between the way to get away from the Neverness changes something to the time flow?
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Post by Vassagonian on Jul 25, 2004 8:20:57 GMT
And so, when Lone Wolf acces to grand masterdom, Grey Star RoO|_z for about eight years. Wonder why no Darklords ever concern on invading Southern Magnamund....
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 25, 2004 9:15:45 GMT
I seem to recall (perhaps I read it in the Magnamund Companion?) that the Darklords had "infiltrated" the courts of several of the northernmost Southern Magnamund nations (ie Vaderish-Nael-Aluvian type ones)
I suppose the Agarashi and Shasarak had a bit of a monopoly on territories south of that ;-) The forces of evil had such *terrible* infighting ;D
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Post by Thomas Wolmer on Jul 25, 2004 17:40:44 GMT
Some more timeline mess to confuse us all: - In the Magnamund Companion, there's a strange piece of information: In the description of the The Plainlands of Lissan, it's said: Population: 220,000 (prior to MS 5054). This must be the pre-demonic invasion figure.
- War of the Wizards Section 43 states that Shasarak defeated the Masbaté in MS 5008.
- War of the Wizards Section 1 and Section 260 both state that Grey Star was in the Daziarn for seven years.
- The Of the Coming of Grey Star section in all GS books state that the storm that brought baby Grey Star to Lorn broke out on the night of Shasarak's crowning as Overlord of the Shadakine Empire. Do we have any other sources for this date? Note that he was obviously the ruler of Shadaki already long before this, for instance the War of the Winds took place already in MS 4663!
So this is one more source for the seven years figure, but the MS 5054 seems just plain wrong; at this point in time, weather Grey Star defeated Shasarak this year or not, the demons held the plain and the Masbaté counted at most a few thousand in their semi-exile mini-realm. The MS 5008 date would make Samu a bit older than the books give me the impression that he is; he must have been old enough to flee the demon horde alone and then spent 42 years in exile before Grey Star meets him in Karnali.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 26, 2004 4:02:59 GMT
The Of the Coming of Grey Star section in all GS books state that the storm that brought baby Grey Star to Lorn broke out on the night of Shasarak's crowning as Overlord of the Shadakine Empire. Do we have any other sources for this date? Note that he was obviously the ruler of Shadaki already long before this, for instance the War of the Winds took place already in MS 4663! Well, at the beginning of book 23 of the LW series, it is said you feel that you spent only a few days on the Isle of Lorn, but you soon learn that it has been in fact two months since you left Port of Suhn. Maybe time passes by more slowly on this island than in any other places in Magnamund? Kinda 1 day on Lorn = 1 month in Magnamund?
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