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Post by outspaced on Aug 6, 2004 12:46:40 GMT
I'd like to think that Lone Wolf would marry, probably one of the female Grand Masters of the New Order. Although there would be an age difference, when both of you only age 1 year every 5, it's not really all that much of a problem! Kai and Ishir should certainly repay the poor guy for all the crap that he had to suffer. And maybe married life would be just as big an adventure for him, but in very different ways. Just because he's a world-renown hero having mastery of all the Kai Disciplines doesn't mean that he would necssarily understand women! :-)
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Aug 6, 2004 13:18:37 GMT
Well, there was that noblewoman from Dawn of the Dragons that he was charming to.
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Post by outspaced on Aug 6, 2004 14:00:20 GMT
She did consider him a 'bit of rough', though. LW: M'lady, here's some trout I caught. B: Why, thank you. They look . . . lovely! The potential is there for it to degenerate into a sub-Lady Chatterley relationship, though not necessarily. What an insult to the fine, upstanding women of Sommerlund, though! How would such women respond to this 'interloper' stealing one of 'theirs'? And it would certainly be a culture shock for the poor woman. LW: Over there is your pallet, M'lady. Breakfast is at sunrise in the mess hall. B: Thank you, that sounds . . . lovely!
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 6, 2004 17:24:04 GMT
I think that there was only one time where I felt that there was a possible love interest between a Kai Lord and a woman. In book 21 of the New Order series, there's Oriah, the girl that is running away from the men of her future evil husband. The first time the Grand Master sees her, he seems to be subjugate by her beauty (well, the way Joe describes it makes me think that). In their second meeting (book 22), Oriah kisses the Grand Master good-bye on the cheek, but I guess that if the bad guy wasn't making an appearance at that moment, there would have been surely another kiss, but on another part of the face, if you know what I mean... I always thought that Sesketera, Oriah's bad husband, would make another appearance as the big bad guy of one of the remaining 4 books of the series, so it is possible that we might see some more of Oriah.
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 11, 2004 10:39:29 GMT
;D Hah, Lone Wolf was kissed by both Alyss and Serocca.The kisses might be for thanks and encouragement. Moreover, from book 11,Lone Wolf also 'couldn't help' but to admire Serocca's beauty (although she doesn't look that beauty to me). I would say love 'is inevitable' (quoted from Matrix Revolution ;D ). But the question is can the Kai Lords extend the love to marriage? I think they can....(don't be so cruel King Ulnar... )
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Post by North Star on Aug 11, 2004 10:49:32 GMT
I'd like to see the Kai married, if only so that the superpowered human who can see in darkness, climb up 100-foot walls unaided and arm-wrestle Darklords in their sleep... is absolutely floored by the sight of a crying baby needing his nappy changed! For female Kai, even with their powers of Deliverance et al, just trying to convince their Kai husband that they *still* have a headache...
NS.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 11, 2004 14:28:32 GMT
Oh come on, we don't even need Sixth Sense to see through that one. Seriously, according to the MC, both boys and girls serve in the army. In fact, as I see it, Magnamund differs from the Middle Ages theme in that it really doesn't seem to be a sexist place. Just take a look at the women we meet in the books. All of them, practically, seem to be treated more or less as equals to men. So with this in mind, I'd imagine that Kai would give his gifts indiscriminately to the Sommlending, and therefore I reckon that there would be female Kai Lords. -GB
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Post by Nyxator on Aug 11, 2004 15:26:04 GMT
Seriously, according to the MC, both boys and girls serve in the army. The text says they receive training in the use of weapons (and the most skilled ones are sent to the household of a Knight of the Realm "where they were groomed for the Sommlending army") , but I don't remember any woman among the regular army (Border Rangers and Royal Guard in books 1 and 4, Kirlundin Marines in book 21). I would assume they are either very rare or part of the reserve. In fact, as I see it, Magnamund differs from the Middle Ages theme in that it really doesn't seem to be a sexist place. Just take a look at the women we meet in the books. All of them, practically, seem to be treated more or less as equals to men. That happens only in the Legends. In the gamebooks, Viveka is the only fighter woman I remember. Female spellcasters seem to be less rare, though.
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Post by Holmes on Aug 11, 2004 17:09:10 GMT
That happens only in the Legends. In the gamebooks, Viveka is the only fighter woman I remember. Female spellcasters seem to be less rare, though. Don't forget the female Criminal of Sommerlund in Book 11... ;D I think she was described as being a witch of some sort - and IIRC, Lone Wolf feels a bit bad about having to kill her. Presumably he feels bad is because she is female?? Speculation on my part. I rarely get past the Chaos Master, so I don't often get the pleasure of reading the pages after that fight...
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 11, 2004 19:32:42 GMT
There's no mention of him feeling bad about having to kill Aieta Nematah (huzzah, fear my knowledge! - or my cut&paste skills).
Nyaxator - anyone who gets taken into the Knights household I'd imagine would join the Army proper. Anyone else would be part of a Knight's cassel, which is different. Just because we don't see any women doesn't mean that much. Even in the forces we do see (the ones you pointed out), every soldier isn't detailed individually.
I wasn't talking simply about the Marines. I was talking in more general terms. Take the Baroness you meet in Book 18 for instance. If Magnamund was a sexist place, she wouldn't be allowed to travel like that. Lortha in Book 9 doesn't seem servile either.
Hmmm, whomever said that there were few women seen in the books was right.
But really, aside from Oriah in the New Order series, I can't remember anything which states that Magnamund is a sexist place - and at the risk of sounding racist, Vassagonian is based on the middle-eastern countries, some of which have what we would consider sexist attitudes to women.
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Post by Holmes on Aug 11, 2004 21:30:40 GMT
There's no mention of him feeling bad about having to kill Aieta Nematah (huzzah, fear my knowledge! - or my cut&paste skills). Hmm...mebbe I was remembering ME feeling bad about killing a chick? ;D Dunno, it's been yonks since I last managed to get to that battle <Blasted Chaos Master!>
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Post by Nyxator on Aug 11, 2004 21:44:14 GMT
Don't forget the female Criminal of Sommerlund in Book 11... ;D I counted her among the spellacasters. But you are right, I should have mentioned her as well. Nyaxator - anyone who gets taken into the Knights household I'd imagine would join the Army proper. I agree. Anyone else would be part of a Knight's cassel, which is different. Well, I don't think so. We know that Tor Medar's cassel is composed of 2400 soldiers. But the fighting age population of his Barony is certainly many times that number, especially if we count the women. Just because we don't see any women doesn't mean that much. Even in the forces we do see (the ones you pointed out), every soldier isn't detailed individually. Yes, but whenever a soldier/mercenary/officer is described, he is a man. Of course, this doesn't prove that women can't join the sommlendig army, just that they are rare. Same for the Kai Lords, with the difference that becoming a Kai Lord requires much more than basic weapon training. As long as we don't have a definite answer from Joe Dever on this matter, both of our opinions can be right. All we know for sure is that there are very few Kai Ladies, if at all. I wasn't talking simply about the Marines. I was talking in more general terms. Take the Baroness you meet in Book 18 for instance. If Magnamund was a sexist place, she wouldn't be allowed to travel like that. I agree that some cultures in Magnamund are not very sexist, especially the Ulnarian (Sommerlund and Durenor). Lortha in Book 9 doesn't seem servile either. But the evacuees are all women and children.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 11, 2004 22:00:09 GMT
It's stated that he has a force of 2400 'well trained retainers'. I take this to mean that he has a permanent force of 2400 men - as part of the standing army. I'd imagine that this figure doesn't include the citizen soldiery that's called upon in times of war. I'd put this more down to a lifestyle choice - in much the same way as women in modern day armies are quite rare. Again though, you could be right. This follows on logically from the 'few women in the army' thing. They way the MC is written, it seems to me that most potential Kai recruits are noticed during their early fighting training. If we assume that few girls undergo this training (whether it's due to 'sexism' or other reasons), it follows that there'd be less Kai Ladies. For obvious reasons. Women are more important than men when we talk about repopulating a city, and children are too young to be of use in a siege. So this may be a sort of sexism against men?
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Post by North Star on Aug 12, 2004 7:50:37 GMT
Well it's fairly standard to do "women and children first". After all, children are your future and women can produce more As regards female Kai, in the graphic novel The Skull of Agarash, you see Lone Wolf lurking in full Grand Master gear within the Monastery. One of his chairs has a sun symbol atop the left upright and a moon symbol atop the right (symbolising Kai AND Ishir). If there is ANY reason why Kai are male, it's because the God Kai is After all, Viveka has two strikes against her - female and non-Sommlending - and yet she still has latent Kai talents. *shrug* NS.
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Post by Thomas Wolmer on Aug 12, 2004 11:22:10 GMT
There is one more case of a fighing woman in the books: Arla, Roark's relative (sister?) who you run into and kill (unless she kills you, of course in book 6 if you skip both the archery tournament and Castle Taunor. Lone Wolf's surprised reaction is described in Section 139.
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