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Post by Nyxator on Aug 12, 2004 13:38:42 GMT
It's stated that he has a force of 2400 'well trained retainers'. I take this to mean that he has a permanent force of 2400 men - as part of the standing army. I'd imagine that this figure doesn't include the citizen soldiery that's called upon in times of war. I'll quote from the Magnamund Companion: "A standing army, composed of the Royal Guard and Border Rangers, is mantained at all times, and new recruits for these regular units are trained and supplied by the Barons and Knights of the Realm. In war time, the Barons call upon each knight in their province to supply a troop of 200 soldiers, known as a 'charge'. Several charges combine under the command of a baron to form a cassel...". For obvious reasons. Women are more important than men when we talk about repopulating a city, and children are too young to be of use in a siege. So this may be a sort of sexism against men? LOL I think you got the point. In a world as violent as Magnamund, birth rates have to be high as a consequence of the high mortality rates. This could explain why women are so rare in the armies of Magnamund. After all, Viveka has two strikes against her - female and non-Sommlending - and yet she still has latent Kai talents. *shrug* NS. Yes, but that is true only in John Grant's Magnamund. There is one more case of a fighing woman in the books: Arla, Roark's relative (sister?) who you run into and kill (unless she kills you, of course in book 6 if you skip both the archery tournament and Castle Taunor. You're right. I forgot about Arla since I usually enter the archery contest.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 12, 2004 13:58:13 GMT
I'll quote from the Magnamund Companion: "A standing army, composed of the Royal Guard and Border Rangers, is mantained at all times, and new recruits for these regular units are trained and supplied by the Barons and Knights of the Realm. In war time, the Barons call upon each knight in their province to supply a troop of 200 soldiers, known as a 'charge'. Several charges combine under the command of a baron to form a cassel...". Yes, but I take the '2400 well trained retainers' to be a different force of men from the charges supplied by the knights. I take this to be Tyso's permanent garrison - a sort of 'city guard' if you will. Course, I could well be wrong. -GB
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Post by Archdruid on Aug 13, 2004 7:24:54 GMT
Yes, but that is true only in John Grant's Magnamund. Didn't it say in one of the early Legends books that Q****** had latent Kai abilities too?
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Post by North Star on Aug 13, 2004 9:23:17 GMT
Yup, but that's ALSO Grant's Magnamund. Considering she's not even Aonian, I take that with a big pinch of salt.
NS.
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Post by outspaced on Aug 13, 2004 13:16:38 GMT
Yup, but that's ALSO Grant's Magnamund. Oh, everyone in Grant/Barnett's Magnamund has latent Kai abilities . . . and all of them have the potential to be so much better than Lone Wolf. Strange that.
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Post by darktalon on Aug 13, 2004 15:01:33 GMT
I thought I'd posted to this thread yesterday. Oh well. On the subject of female characters, there's a female Kai on the front cover of the Mongoose RPG, in the foreground with a sword. Is Kai Lord a unisex title, I wonder - I know "master" is often used as such in fantasy literature. Grant/Barnett - yes, if you're going to take a dislike to a character then it's probably best if it's not the series' eponymous character.
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Post by North Star on Aug 17, 2004 13:22:17 GMT
Yeah, I was noticing that Darktalon Then again, I never saw the need not to include female Kai. Also, thinking about it, in Book 18 Lone Wolf meets his five new Grand Masters. I think they're all male. *shrug* NS.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 17, 2004 20:17:29 GMT
Also, thinking about it, in Book 18 Lone Wolf meets his five new Grand Masters. I think they're all male. *shrug* You sure you're not getting confused? I don't remember him meeting five of anyone in Book 18. However, he does meet four Kai Masters in Book 19, and while it does say that they're four of his most gifted students, that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be four of the five Grand Masters. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean they won't either. And yup, all four were male. -GB
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Post by simkn on Oct 16, 2004 4:53:19 GMT
My opinion on the matter...
The Kai Monastery is just that... a "Monastery"... therefore, it is inhabited by monks; that is, men who have foregone their sexuality and avowed themselves to a greater cause, like spiritual enlightenment. In this case, we have the Kai Lords who are warrior monks, focused on the art of combat, honing the body, mind, and spirit. They are all men, it's a monastery!
As for the women, perhaps there are women warrior societies that also develop the type of talents found in Kai lords. But they would be called something else, like a convent or nunnery or something else more Magnamund-ish. I don't doubt there are a lot of women in the world of Magnamund that could kick some serious ass (Tanith comes to mind, and Alyss). But there are no Kai women because the Kai order is a society of monks.
Furthermore, since they are monks, they are bound by chastity. They do not marry, and they do not have children. The only love they know is in the form of compassion. Sorry to crush your hopes, but I think Lone Wolf won't be having any love interests. He can appreciate the beauty of another (like Oriah), but it ends there. And no "little Lone Wolf" rugrats running around cheating at hide and seek with their infant sixth sense either, unfortunately.
Lone Wolf is a monk who pursues discipline... that's why, for example, the skills are called "disciplines" and not something more typical, like "skills" or "abilities".
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Post by Ghost Bear on Oct 16, 2004 11:27:12 GMT
You won't be crushing anyone's hopes by stating your opinions. And Lone Wolf never met Oriah. The New Order Grand Master did. -GB
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Post by SilentViper on Oct 18, 2004 14:32:42 GMT
ok people LEGENDS OF LONE WOLF IS NOT CANNON AND NOT APPROVED BY JOE DENVER!
Yeah like joe denver would approve poorly written mary sue ridden piece of crap, not mention the technological crap which pissed off denver. So folks, stop citing it as a source
Now the moongoose rpg ont he other hand IS approved by denver, and on the cover you clearly see a female kai, and the books refrences to females in the kai class. Their is also no way that fmeales could have a seperate monastry, as otherwsie they would ahve survied the events of flight from the dark (well surely at least 1).
As for Kai marrying and having intercoure, I'd say yes to that to. The book in forms that only certain bloodlines have hte power, and how else could these lines continue? Nuff said.
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Post by columbob on Oct 18, 2004 15:51:46 GMT
Who's that Denver guy you keep mentioning anyways? Last I checked, a fellow by the name of Joe Dever wrote the LW books. Not to be confused with folk singer John Denver.
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Post by SV on Oct 18, 2004 16:11:17 GMT
eh, whatever
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Post by Nyxator on Oct 20, 2004 15:32:00 GMT
ok people LEGENDS OF LONE WOLF IS NOT CANNON AND NOT APPROVED BY JOE DENVER! Now the moongoose rpg ont he other hand IS approved by denver, and on the cover you clearly see a female kai, and the books refrences to females in the kai class. The RPG is a lot of fun, but being approved by Joe Dever doesn't mean it's canon. Sometimes it contradicts JD's statements, the most evident case being the last quest of the Brotherhood mage. Even the Legends are approved by him, they have his name on the cover, but that doesn't make them canonical.
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Post by North Star on Oct 21, 2004 11:43:36 GMT
JD and JG may have disagreed about the tech-epilogue for Book 5 (I actually quite enjoyed it), but the Legends were approved by JD and they all had to follow a specific lists of things that were necessary to do. Quite why JG saw it necessary to clutter up the books with pointless barbarians and even more pointless people who can outfight Superman and then just stroll away (not even into a sunset) is his idea alone. When I was adapting the Kai Lords for Faerun (a 3.5 class with prestige classes, following Elishar and opposing Toldoth), I wrote a cast of nearly all males and only a couple of females. *shrug*
NS.
P.S. Incidentally, the word is "canon", as in a holy book, not as in a destructive siege weapon.
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