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Post by Black Cat on May 24, 2008 17:09:00 GMT
I would like to report a few things that I've noticed.
We know the year of each LW adventures of the GM and NO series since it is written in the SsF of each of these books. Previous to that, in the PA's edition of the MC, we know that books 1 to 5 happen between MS 5050 and MS 5055. Where it starts to be complicated is with the Magnakai series.
Book 13 says that it is currently the year MS 5075 and that 5 years have gone since the destruction of Helgedad, which puts this event in MS 5070, along with LW's return from the Daziarn. However, on page 124 of the PA's MC, there's a guy who ask if LW's body has aged after coming back from the Daziarn in MS 5067 after spending 8 years there. That puts book 10 in MS 5059. But, the previous question on that very same page of the MC is about the age of LW in each of the first 8 books of the series, and it puts book 8 in MS 5060.
Also, on page 123, there's a question about who succeeded to Kimah as the new Zakhan of Vassagonia, and it is said that Lhazhor took the throne in MS 5060 (which means after book 9). Since book 10 is happening the very same year, that puts LW's trip to the Daziarn in MS 5060 and his return in MS 5068, two years before his actual return in book 12 to destroy the Darklords.
Finally, I have noticed that, in the SsF of the NO books, they put the destruction of the Darklords in MS 5075.
So, what is the real timeline of the events in the Magnakai series? I have my own idea, but I would like to know what the people of PA think about it.
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Post by beowuuf on May 24, 2008 17:22:07 GMT
Personally I think the person asking question in the newsletter deducted the 8 years from the wrong place and wasn't corrected. I think the MS5075 reference in the NO books was a mistake that wasn't corrected That MS5060 is an interesting one...how about the Zakhan succeeds in the (mild) winter of MS5060, there is a small passage of time before LW actually leaves so it's the start of MS5061, lone wolf spends 'eight years-ish in the daziarn so it's sorta mid to late MS5069 (I think 12 mentions fehmarn, but shhhh) and by the time he's gone to Helgedad, blown things up, and people have realised, it's the very very start of MS5070 - happy new year! Or, the Kimah answer is a mistake too
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Post by Black Cat on May 25, 2008 3:59:47 GMT
IMO, the NO series is wrong about MS 5075, the guy is wrong about MS 5067, and the MS 5060 is also wrong.
My interpretation is that book 8 happens late in MS 5060, book 9 happens in spring of MS 5061, and book 10 starts in the summer of that same year (section 1 says it's mid-summer). The end of that book takes place at the beginning or in the middle of fall.
Section 166 of book 12 says that the Fehmarn took place three months before LW returns (which means it is summer again at that time). If you had these 6 months of MS 5070 with the last 2 or 3 months of MS 5061, that's only 8-9 months, so not a full year. When they say that LW was absent for 8 years, it was in fact for 8 years and 9 months.
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Post by Taryn on May 25, 2008 7:09:18 GMT
Book 8's death notice for Kezoor the Necromancer is dated 5060, so Book 8 must occur in or after 5060 (unless that date is wrong).
Speaking of LW's age, the Legends series has him born in 5036, but the Magnamund Companion says 5035.
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Post by beowuuf on May 25, 2008 7:16:30 GMT
yeah legends has him14, newsletters have him 15
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Post by beowuuf on May 25, 2008 7:19:14 GMT
and yeah bc. i know the newsletters are wrong aloy, but i go with their lw age progression that takes it up to book 8
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Post by Taryn on May 25, 2008 11:59:44 GMT
I tend to use his Legends age, as I read Legends 1 before the newsletters.
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Post by beowuuf on May 25, 2008 19:05:53 GMT
Nah, i go by 15
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Post by Taryn on May 25, 2008 22:33:11 GMT
I was 14 when I first used a forum (I'm now 20), so maybe I like that parallel with LW starting his adventures at age 14...
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Post by Black Cat on May 28, 2008 20:38:53 GMT
Also, on page 123, there's a question about who succeeded to Kimah as the new Zakhan of Vassagonia, and it is said that Lhazhor took the throne in MS 5060 (which means after book 9). Since book 10 is happening the very same year, that puts LW's trip to the Daziarn in MS 5060 and his return in MS 5068, two years before his actual return in book 12 to destroy the Darklords. Hey, I have just checked, and section 145 of book 9 mentions that it has been 3 years since LW left Sommerlund, which means that book 6 happens three years before book 9. But, like said earlier, there's a question on page 124 of PA's MC that asks the age of LW through the books, and it puts book 6 in MS 5058. So, book 9 is supposed to happen in MS 5061 and not in MS 5060.
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 2, 2008 3:25:01 GMT
Seriously, this is getting weird...
From the SsF of book 9: "In Elzian, the capital of Dessi, you were tutored in the histories of Magnamund and received lessons in lore that you would have learned from Kai Masters if only they, like you, had survived the murderous Darklord attack on the Kai monastery eleven years ago. " (That puts us in MS 5061)
From the SsF of book 10: "In Elzian, the capital of Dessi, you were tutored in the histories of Magnamund and received lessons in lore that you would have learned from Kai Masters if only they, like you, had survived the murderous Darklord attack on the Kai monastery twelve years ago." (That puts us in MS 5062)
Since section 1 of book 10 says that it is mid-summer, that means that at least 7 months have passed since the end of book 9 (if we consider that it took place in the last month of MS 5061). During that time, LW stays in Tahou and waits for the Elder Magi to travel to him instead of the other way around. That's no sense to me. Besides, the description of the weather in section 272 ("It is late afternoon when you see the Tahou Hills. They appear like a mirage on the horizon, shimmering beyond the haze that rises from the sun-baked plain. Without stopping for food or rest, you hurry across the hot grasslands and follow the highway as it ascends towards the mouth of a pass.") sounds as if it is also summer or late spring in book 9. That puts book 10 a whole year after book 9 if we only consider the portion of the text that I've quoted from the SsF.
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Post by nigthhunter on Jun 2, 2008 5:07:58 GMT
Yes but it remains that the seasons, unequal by the latitude, should not be a good indicator to represent the time of year. The Nordic countries know the 4 seasons but not the tropical one. www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/11tpot/maplarge.htmI look at the map in book 11 and Tahou is located very close to the desert (which must be a dry tropical area like North Africa) and looking a little bit down, we have the Dessi, which it have always appeared like a wet tropical area to me. Perhaps that the Republic of Anari is located in a kind of semi-tropical climate, where we don't have any major change in the climate during the year.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 2, 2008 10:46:15 GMT
[Just to say, Project Aon is keeping an eye on this thread, so any comments could lead to things being changed in the books to fix such discrepancies. However, bear in mind that while typographical and grammatical mistakes can be resolved, the actual artistic vision of Joe Dever isn't something we're keen to try second-guessing; things may be left alone, even though they disagree. Anyway, please feel free to keep trying to resolve such contradictions--it's very interesting!]
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Post by outspaced on Jun 2, 2008 12:00:12 GMT
[Actually, BC, you might want to post a link to this thread on the Mongoose forum to flag these issues up for the editors of those editions (if you haven't already done so).]
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 2, 2008 13:13:09 GMT
Good idea! I'll do it right now.
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