Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 14:05:09 GMT
Just wanted to throw out a call to anyone who would be interested and has the skill to make some graphics for an iPhone version of the Lone Wolf books. I'm not a graphics designer, and it would be nice to have some nifty icons, etc.
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Post by lycanthus on Jul 17, 2008 15:45:24 GMT
What kind of file format are you after? And what kind of size? I just read your posts in the iPhone Statskeeper thread and I'm willing to help out if I can. I don't own an iPhone as yet but I do intend getting one soon and this could be pretty cool.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 17:07:53 GMT
What kind of file format are you after? And what kind of size? I just read your posts in the iPhone Statskeeper thread and I'm willing to help out if I can. I don't own an iPhone as yet but I do intend getting one soon and this could be pretty cool. Well, the easiest place to start would be the application icon itself. Perhaps the wolf's head? Not sure what would look best, but in any case, here's the guidelines straight from Apple. Let us know what you come up with! Application Icons An application icon is an icon users put on their Home screens and tap to start an application. This is a place where branding and strong visual design should come together into an compact, instantly recognizable, attractive package. Users can display as many application icons on their Home screens as they want, so you should design an icon that is: Attractive, so users want to keep it on their Home screens Distinctive, so users can easily find it among all other icons When a user decides to display your icon on the Home screen, iPhone OS automatically adds some visual effects so that it coordinates with the built-in icons. Specifically, iPhone OS adds: Rounded corners Drop shadow Reflective shine To ensure that your icon can take advantage of these visual enhancements, provide an image in PNG format that: Measures 57 x 57 pixels, with 90 degree corners (if the image measures other than this size, iPhone OS scales it) Does not have any shine or gloss As with other user interface elements in iPhone OS, icons that use bold shapes and lines and pleasing color combinations work best. It’s advisable to spend some time simplifying your icon design so it clearly conveys the essence of your application. Also, it’s a good idea to investigate how your choice of image and color might be interpreted by people from different cultures.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jul 18, 2008 7:53:30 GMT
Looking at the screenshots from LoneWolfDS, those backgrounds and graphics are pretty nice. Would it be possible (allowed) to use those for the iPhone app? Maybe whoever did those, could put something together with a bit higher resolution for the iPhone app?
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Post by Ryan on Jul 24, 2008 13:47:23 GMT
What kind of file format are you after? And what kind of size? I just read your posts in the iPhone Statskeeper thread and I'm willing to help out if I can. I don't own an iPhone as yet but I do intend getting one soon and this could be pretty cool. Were you able to get anything for that icon? I'm wondering if we can use the official Lone Wolf head from the Mongoose books, since I've seen it used here quite often...
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Post by alderaine on Jul 24, 2008 14:05:02 GMT
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Post by Ryan on Jul 25, 2008 10:07:45 GMT
And now it will get complicated. The first version I have planned for the app will just be a battle simulator. I want to get something out there, to get a feel for the process myself, as well as feedback in general. So, that version won't "officially" have any Project Aon association (though it will be mentioned in the credits, of course). Can I then use the icons? Also, unless I missed it, that thread doesn't mention where the icons themselves can be found. Do you know where I can grab them?
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Post by alderaine on Jul 25, 2008 10:16:32 GMT
I don't think we have any official icon repository at present - I think people are just borrowing any that are currently out there. Certainly it will be worth building up a collection on one of the AON WIKI pages though It is easy enough to get a staff account for AON (I send your e-mail address to Jon Blake, or you simply post a message to the contact list) - I'm not always copied when they are set up though, so do let me know if you experience delays. I believe that any distribution of software making use of Lone Wolf must contain a reference to AON in the hosting site. You would only be allowed to use official graphics and text in two ways: 1/ Your project is hosted on an AON staff page (see the DS site for a good example of this) 2/ The user is directed to an AON location to download any copyright material such as logos & text (this can be through a link in your software, but it should say where the material is coming from) When your software is ready for distribution and beta testing, the source code should be hosted on an AON staff page. This does not need to be made publicly available, but at least it is available to AON staff if needed. There are some very good ideas for extended battle scenarios around other forum threads if you are interested in making it something more than a dice rolling exercise
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Post by Ryan on Jul 25, 2008 10:56:41 GMT
It is easy enough to get a staff account for AON (I send your e-mail address to Jon Blake, or you simply post a message to the contact list) - I'm not always copied when they are set up though, so do let me know if you experience delays. Thanks! As was discussed, the hosting "site" would be iTunes. Looking at the apps that are already there, before a user downloads an app, you can show: - Description
- Software Website Link
- Support Link
- End User Agreement
As mentioned, Project AON would again be referred to in the app itself. Would it be a good idea to have the software website with you guys? I thought this was hosted externally? This is something where I am completely lost. I asked the dev for the source, but he said it's closed source. But if it's hosted here, the agreement says it has to be open source? I can't even find any links to the software on ProjectAon.org - I have to say it's very hard to find stuff, without searching in the forums!
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Post by alderaine on Jul 25, 2008 11:08:17 GMT
>>As mentioned, Project AON would again be referred to in the app itself. Would it be a good idea to have the software website with you guys? Yep that would be best, and should be sufficient to satisfy the agreement. You can host the software on iTunes, but all copyright material must be downloaded from an AON site. >>I thought this was hosted externally? This is something where I am completely lost. I asked the dev for the source, but he said it's closed source. But if it's hosted here, the agreement says it has to be open source? I can't even find any links to the software on ProjectAon.org - I have to say it's very hard to find stuff, without searching in the forums! The URL for the DS site is www.projectaon.org/staff/frederic/ - which is an AON account. The site looks really excellent, and is a good example of how you can build most types of site on AON. Technically, AON would prefer code to be open source, but in practice all we really need is access to the source in case the developer gives up the project. The latter was a concession to the idea that whenever we said "open source" the developers ran a mile and we never saw them again! (Seventh Sense and DS would never have become applications if we had enforced the open source policy)
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Post by alderaine on Jul 25, 2008 15:25:44 GMT
Many thanks for your note to the distribution list. I've replied with some additional thoughts I've had. Essentially, what will the application do? I find it very hard to picture an application that could make use of the Lone Wolf logo, and yet contain no copyrighted material! For example, even the basic statskeeper/action chart applications are full of copyright material.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 26, 2008 5:13:56 GMT
Many thanks for your note to the distribution list. I've replied with some additional thoughts I've had. Essentially, what will the application do? I find it very hard to picture an application that could make use of the Lone Wolf logo, and yet contain no copyrighted material! For example, even the basic statskeeper/action chart applications are full of copyright material. Hmmm...seems I underestimated how much was copyrighted. I was mainly referring to the texts, item names, etc. Didn't realize that the general action chart was also copyrighted...is there a list somewhere of what is copyrighted, and what isn't?
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Post by alderaine on Jul 26, 2008 12:54:56 GMT
Anything that is in the books. The AON Ts & Cs go into slightly more detail, but AON has permission to host book content in any form needed, hence why anything distributed from the AON site is covered by license. That being said, any application that requires the user of the application to have a copy of the book to hand should be fine - it is only completely stand-alone applications, or any software that must be paid for, that would be subject to copyright restrictions in my understanding. This is just advice though, not official permission - if you are in any doubt at all, you should either host all content on AON (using a simple installation program to download all the main application content) or seek further clarification from the copyright holder (I have no direct contact details for Joe I am afraid, but I believe a search of the web should help there.)
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jul 26, 2008 13:23:37 GMT
Anything that is in the books. The AON Ts & Cs go into slightly more detail, but AON has permission to host book content in any form needed, hence why anything distributed from the AON site is covered by license. That being said, any application that requires the user of the application to have a copy of the book to hand should be fine - it is only completely stand-alone applications, or any software that must be paid for, that would be subject to copyright restrictions in my understanding. This is just advice though, not official permission - if you are in any doubt at all, you should either host all content on AON (using a simple installation program to download all the main application content) or seek further clarification from the copyright holder (I have no direct contact details for Joe I am afraid, but I believe a search of the web should help there.) Well, these are the main reasons I intend on taking the development slowly, with testing. If at any point there's any question, I'll try to err on the site of caution. Getting back to the original question, though...since there's some doubt as to whether I should use the Lone Wolf logo, can/should I instead use the Project Aon logo?
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Post by alderaine on Jul 26, 2008 13:33:30 GMT
I would avoid using any official logos on anything which is not hosted on AON. Is there an issue with hosting just an install shell on iTunes, and getting that to download any copyrighted content from AON?
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