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Post by Sunwolf on May 25, 2004 12:08:16 GMT
Question about Agarash and his servants,
Will Agarash himself be detailed in the darklands sourcebook? Will we get a pic?! Stats?! Also, could anyone list his big bad servants? Generals? Names, what they looked like, powers, where they were based.
I plan on exploring this in my adventures when i get the RPG. I just don't know much about the very distant past of Magnamund.
Any cannon or speculation is welcome.
sunwolf
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Post by Black Cat on May 25, 2004 19:53:38 GMT
Well, if I remember well, we fight two of Agarash servants in LW books. The first one is Ixiataaga, the Deathlord of Ixia, in book 17. The second is Shom'zaa from book 26 who was imprisonned under the mountains of Bor, but I don't know if he was a lieutenant of Agarash or just a bad guy that was living at the same time. Anyway, both monsters weren't killed by the Elder Magi: they were kept imprisonned and were accidentally liberated. I wonder why the Elder Magi killed Agarash and not his lieutenants?
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Post by Nyxator on May 25, 2004 20:07:32 GMT
Maybe they didn't have any weapon able to kill them. As far as Agarash is concerned, are we sure he was slain and not just exiled to another plane?
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Post by Black Cat on May 25, 2004 20:28:18 GMT
I think that in book 23 it is said that there's a legend about the spirit of Agarash. It says that his spirit is imprisonned under the magma of the ruins of Naaros, but I'm not sure, I'll need to read the book again.
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 25, 2004 21:46:50 GMT
Agarash? Slain? Not exactly ... ;D
The Wytch-King
Small hint: Try the Grey Star books, especially #4 ...
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Post by outspaced on May 25, 2004 22:02:35 GMT
So if all these evil dudes keep trying to bring these evil creatures back from the dead, why can't Lone Wolf perform a rite designed to bring Nyxator back to life?
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Post by Nyxator on May 25, 2004 22:40:19 GMT
Small hint: Try the Grey Star books, especially #4 ... Yes, that's a clear proof that Agarash is not dead. Black Cat, I remember that reference in book 23 because when I read it, I thoght it was a hint about Agarash's return before the end of the series. So if all these evil dudes keep trying to bring these evil creatures back from the dead, why can't Lone Wolf perform a rite designed to bring Nyxator back to life? Well, I know I'm not the best person to explain why I cannot be resurrected, but there is a good reason: (WARNING! SPOILERS ON BOOK 14) www.projectaon.org/xhtml/lw/14tcok/ill20.htm
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Post by outspaced on May 26, 2004 8:13:50 GMT
Well, I know I'm not the best person to explain why I cannot be resurrected, but there is a good reason: Nah, you don't need a body to resurrect someone/thing--Vashna's body is destroyed and yet Barraka was going to bring him back to life. (Must . . . resist . . . giving away . . . plot for . . . book 16 . . . ) And if Agarash the D@mned *grumblegrumble* still lives, it must be in 'spirit form'. We know he no longer had a body since his skull can be used as a weapon for evil (cf. The Skull of Agarash graphic novel). So the state of Nyxator's remains is irrelevant to the possibility of returning him to life, as I understand it.
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 26, 2004 9:00:09 GMT
And if Agarash the D@mned *grumblegrumble* still lives, it must be in 'spirit form'. We know he no longer had a body since his skull can be used as a weapon for evil (cf. The Skull of Agarash graphic novel). Well, at least he still has a nice, scaly, clawed foot to set into this world, as far as I recall ... ;D Who knows, maybe that skull you mentioned bases on the same phenomenon as many holy relics. You know, like the hands of St. Roark, displayed at shrines in Helin, Gora ... and Kaon. So the state of Nyxator's remains is irrelevant to the possibility of returning him to life, as I understand it. That's what I'd say, too. The Wytch-King
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Post by Nyxator on May 26, 2004 9:06:39 GMT
So the state of Nyxator's remains is irrelevant to the possibility of returning him to life, as I understand it. You're right, I didn't think of the Skull of Agarash. Hmm, maybe Ishir would not allow anything like such a ritual, you know, she's so worried about Balance (remember the Moonstone), or maybe it has something to do with the way such powerful beings died, with their spirits trapped in Aon. Speaking of which, what version of Vashna's death should we consider as canon? The one in the Newsletter or the one in the rulebook of the Lone Wolf RPG (yes, they are different )?
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 26, 2004 10:08:05 GMT
Speaking of which, what version of Vashna's death should we consider as canon? The one in the Newsletter or the one in the rulebook of the Lone Wolf RPG (yes, they are different )? Yes, yes, just rub it in that you already have that darned book! *activates serious mode* Well, as far as canon is concerned, the Newsletter would probably take precedence. That description is coming directly from Joe Dever, isn't it? Whether it is the more atmospheric description is of course another pair of shoes. Personally, the Newsletter description was a bit too much of swooping and blasting for me ... What's the Lone Wolf Rpg saying about Vashna's death? The Wytch-King
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Post by Nyxator on May 26, 2004 11:06:44 GMT
What's the Lone Wolf Rpg saying about Vashna's death? The main difference is that the battle is much more physical (Ulnar kills Vashna by piercing his chest with the Sommerswerd) and Ulnar is not mortally wounded *before* the fight begins (Vashna wounds him with his dagger). The overall impression is that Ulnar is much stronger than it seemed from the Newsletter.
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 26, 2004 22:21:09 GMT
The main difference is that the battle [...] much stronger than it seemed from the Newsletter. Hm, would have to read the whole thing in the rulebook should I ever get my hands on it - sorry, tore himself loose - but so far it does sound better to me ... So if all these evil dudes keep trying to bring these evil creatures back from the dead, why can't Lone Wolf perform a rite designed to bring Nyxator back to life? Just a theory, mind you, but maybe Lone Wolf is worried that Nyxator would want the Lorestones back? The Wytch-King
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Post by Archdruid on May 27, 2004 5:35:07 GMT
So if all these evil dudes keep trying to bring these evil creatures back from the dead, why can't Lone Wolf perform a rite designed to bring Nyxator back to life? Because unnaturally restoring various and sundry creatures to life is clearly evil, except apparently when A*yss does it, in which case it's OK because she transcends the laws of good and evil. If you could convince her to do it, I'm sure it'd be OK.
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Post by Relenoir on May 28, 2004 0:14:12 GMT
As far as descriptions (from the original thread here ), Outspaced called my attention to a pic in book 26 earlier. Shom'zaa looks a lot like an Alien (i.e. Sigourney Weaver movies) with a head shaped like a triceratops and antennae coming out from where the horns would be, but with a typical upside-down "V" monster's mouth, and a proboscis used to spew acid below. Between the two of us, we didn't see a mention of his rank, but we haven't given up yet. Deathlord Ixiataaga is an undead lieutenant of Agarash who looks like a clawed skeletal body with the skull of a goat, with red fire eyes and a black, loose-fitting robe. And he is NASTY, right everyone! Hope this helps. Will write again if I find more.
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