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Post by Archdruid on May 27, 2004 5:53:45 GMT
For this question, I've decided to break tradition and ask about your favorite background villain of the Magnakai series, since it was so replete with them and a lot of them were pretty memorable. Although the bastard who causes your backpack to be ripped off at the end of 7 would be a close second (I'll miss you, Alether potions!), I'm going to go with Roark for this one, since he actually undergoes a lot of development. He ages heavily over 4 years and goes from being a petty lordling executing Cessholders to being an insane Cener Druid summoning dog-shaped demon lords. Ah, such good times we had.
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Post by outspaced on May 27, 2004 8:35:37 GMT
Roark, definitely. His three appearances in the Lone Wolf gamebooks are all memorable. I always wondered quite what happened to him, what his ultimate fate was and how he died. No matter, he's definitely the best minor bad guy in my book.
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Post by The Wytch-King on May 27, 2004 11:00:25 GMT
Yes, for me it's Roark of Amory as well. Just love to hate that guy! At least for me the start of our animosity (the graveyard scene in The Kingdoms of Terror, though he of course hated me earlier than that ...) was very effective, and to meet Roark again and again just to have him escape each time was nicely frustrating! And I agree with Cadak and Outspaced: Roark had an interesting character development and memorable appearances. A well-done recurring character! Adds to the sense of continuity of the Lone Wolf saga. BTW, as you could slay Roark yourself on the Isle of Ghosts (you just have to have no Sommerswerd when confronted by Tagazin and go for Roark in paragraph 333 of The Dungeons of Torgar), I suppose he dies in any case on that isle. A shame, really, that Joe Dever did deny all those who have played through the whole Lone Wolf series so far the chance to personally take down Roark or at least witness his end! (When I read paragraph 37 pp., I hoped for just a moment to have found Roark himself - that would have been a great death scene for him!) Don't want to get off-topic here , but was Roark any good in the Legends of Lone Wolf? The Wytch-King
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Post by outspaced on May 27, 2004 11:04:11 GMT
Don't want to get off-topic here , but was Roark any good in the Legends of Lone Wolf? Yep, a very well done character, similar to how well done Viveka was (though obviously he's a guy and evil, but you get the point . . . ) ***MAJOR SPOILERS DO NOT READ!!!*** Roark does come back one final time during the Grand Master series, but I won't spoil where or how!
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deiseach
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Post by deiseach on May 27, 2004 16:38:38 GMT
That was a good one all right, outspaced. Brian Williams' drawing is brilliant
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Post by Hal on May 27, 2004 17:21:07 GMT
I was about to vote for the Chaos Master but it's true that Roark has something of a Lone Wolf's Moryarty (sorry, not sure about the spelling...) that is very pleasant.
Anyway, since everybody's voting for Roark, I vote for the Chaos Master. ;D
What I like is that he's a non-standard bad guy, in no way connected to the darklords (and even not connected to their universe.)
My third prefered bad guy would be the duet Kraagenskul - Helshezag.
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Post by KaiLord on May 28, 2004 0:25:53 GMT
Good ol' Demonlord Tagazin. Many fond memories of trying to avoid combat with him. KL
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Post by Relenoir on May 28, 2004 1:50:53 GMT
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T LIST CADAK IN THE CHOICES! What, you didn't want to see how many people would vote for you? He appears as many times as Roark! Maybe more, say in book 20? Sheesh. . . I am actually voting for Roark, because of, once again, the way he develops. He is three completely different encounters/entities every time you meet him, and the progression is neat. Plus, it's spaced out long enough that by the time he shows up again you've almost forgotten about him. I would also mention something else for those who don't have all the books, but Outspaced already covered that nicely with his spoiler alert above. I actually didn't know you could fight him the second time until years later, having avoided the Isle of Ghosts like the plague for a long time (yes, like your plague, Cadak!) and missing the the encounter. The final one is neat too, almost a happy ending of sorts. He definitely gets my vote: Joe used him enough to keep him interesting without overuse or making him "cheesy".
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Post by Archdruid on May 28, 2004 5:23:57 GMT
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T LIST CADAK IN THE CHOICES! What, you didn't want to see how many people would vote for you? He appears as many times as Roark! Maybe more, say in book 20? Sheesh. . . I am actually voting for Roark, because of, once again, the way he develops. He is three completely different encounters/entities every time you meet him, and the progression is neat. Plus, it's spaced out long enough that by the time he shows up again you've almost forgotten about him. I would also mention something else for those who don't have all the books, but Outspaced already covered that nicely with his spoiler alert above. I actually didn't know you could fight him the second time until years later, having avoided the Isle of Ghosts like the plague for a long time (yes, like your plague, Cadak!) and missing the the encounter. The final one is neat too, almost a happy ending of sorts. He definitely gets my vote: Joe used him enough to keep him interesting without overuse or making him "cheesy". Um, you would have a point about Cadak, except that you should maybe read the topic title again.
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Post by Nerethel on May 28, 2004 12:32:18 GMT
Yeah, I'm going with Roark, too. I can't think of any other reasons he's cool aside from what's already been said, so I'll leave it at that.
In my tabletop gaming, I've tried to re-create the bar scene where Roark beats up on the old man and acts all snotty, intending to blatantly copy him as a returning villain. Unfortunately, in D&D, the party always seems to utterly destroy him before he has a chance to utter a word. (I just used 'utter' twice in one sentence; my vocabulary is weak, today).
Anyway, if Roark wasn't a choice, I'd go with Tagazin.
Nerethel
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Post by Ghost Bear on May 28, 2004 18:50:21 GMT
I like... SPOILERS
Senator Chill. His Double crossing of Lone Wolf was nicely executed, and I remember at the time cursing the git for nearly killing me. Rocking.
Though Roark has to be my favourite, due to reasons already posted. Gotta love arrogant, daemon-worshipping, Cener druid lordlings, eh?
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Post by Relenoir on May 31, 2004 21:35:05 GMT
Well, I guess you have a point about Cadak, but his appearances come to mind as being fairly short, and you never know he's involved until you see him. I guess I never thought of him as a real forefront enemy, but since he IS behind the plot in several books, I concede your point. Not to mention that it is a Magnakai poll, not a villains-all-around poll.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Jun 1, 2004 18:12:19 GMT
Warlord Magnaarn gets my vote. He's a textbook case of self-destructive ambition.Whine, whine, whine...fine, have it your way. I choose this guy.
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Post by Archdruid on Jun 1, 2004 19:31:34 GMT
Warlord Magnaarn gets my vote. He's a textbook case of self-destructive ambition. Maybe I wasn't being clear. This is a poll for Magnakai villains. GM villains will have to wait until the rest of the books have been published.
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Post by Relenoir on Jun 2, 2004 11:01:34 GMT
Maybe I wasn't being clear. This is a poll for Magnakai villains. GM villains will have to wait until the rest of the books have been published. Oops, now look what I started. . . Sorry Cadak! P.S. Glad you found my polls from a while ago to vote on. Surprised you hadn't before!
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