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Post by wampyre on Jun 3, 2010 8:33:53 GMT
Hi everybody
First post here, and I have a burning rules question.
I'm playing lone wolf 21 at the moment and am struggling with the gladiatorial fight against "Dromodon". He has some pretty nasty stats and I'm wondering if it is legit to use a potion of alether before the fight.
It's unclear whether your backpack is confiscated before the fight, although you are told you cannot use sorcery in the upcoming fight. I know alether is supposed to be non-magical, but am not sure whether the crowd would allow you to discretely swig a potion before the fight.
Any thoughts? The +2 to CS for one fight would certainly be useful!!
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 3, 2010 14:55:27 GMT
Bah, you can drink it before going in the arena so nobody will notice it. Plus, nothing is said against natural doping... ;D
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Post by entropy3ko on Jul 16, 2011 20:42:03 GMT
Bah, you can drink it before going in the arena so nobody will notice it. Plus, nothing is said against natural doping... ;D Indeed but the Supreme Master is not sharing the Adgana! ;D |
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Post by John Bryntze on Mar 12, 2013 9:49:22 GMT
Old post but I just did a re-run of New Order and this Gladiator fight is just one of those others that makes me mad reading in the book "It doesn't matter how high or low your CS or EP is... yada yada" yes it does, this fight you cannot evade because you are thirsty (and not for blood).
I agree with Black Cat you know that it will be a fight so you can prepare for it, so totally ok to drink the Alether.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 12, 2013 23:00:03 GMT
Some tough fights in this, I'd say it's the hardest of the NO books. Just planning your skills to minimise combat damage and instadeaths is quite challenging.
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Post by Oiseau on Mar 17, 2013 16:25:18 GMT
As far as I know, the only instadeath in LW-21 is specifically the one which occurs before the gladiator fight, when the dead gladiator's lanista decides whether to shoot you on sight or have you fight in the arena. Really, this whole episode is superfluous to the overall story — and indeed, if you do start the adventure with low CS, it is nearly insurmountable (with initial CS 25, the best you can do is –6 using Alether and the Kai Weapon Sunstrike). The Grand Master Discipline of Intuition (Telegnosis, I believe it's called in English) should have warned you about that fountain. Hell, your basic Sixth Sense should have warned you about that fountain. ^_^
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 21, 2013 0:06:52 GMT
Agreed, it is a most contrived & random way to throw an unavoidable Boss fight at you. I guess the Moonstone attracts this kind of heat in subtle, invisible ways....
As for instadeaths.... if you have GHuntmastery and DON'T have Smellymentalism there is one quite early on in the Lakuri isles. Later the slavers of Bir-Rabalou can kill you instantly if you don't have Assimilance, Kai Alchemy or Magi-Magic (actually Assimilance might not prevent it if your End is low). When you consider the statistical attractions of GWeap, KSurge & Deliv & the major chip prevention possibilities of KScreen, GHunt & Assim it is a tricky choice picking your starting four, especially if you are going to be facing Otokh, Dar-Isun, Dromodon & the Night-stalkers with a low CS....
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Post by Oiseau on Mar 21, 2013 21:36:25 GMT
You're right — but I don't really count them as true "falling masts" if there's something you can do to prevent them — in this case, choosing Kai Alchemy (dead useful anyway) and waiting until Bk 22 to choose Huntmastery (strange, I never knew that event could happen in the Lakuri isles). There's nothing you can do to avoid the gladiator roll, though.
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Post by derjeboven on Sept 19, 2020 15:09:31 GMT
Really, this whole episode is superfluous to the overall story — and indeed, if you do start the adventure with low CS, it is nearly insurmountable (with initial CS 25, the best you can do is –6 using Alether and the Kai Weapon Sunstrike). Old topic, I know. According to this walkthrough, the most useful of the Kai Weapons is Valiance, as it gives an extra 3 Combat Skill against Dromodon (its conditional bonus is activated three times in total). But is Dromodon a creature born of magic ? Same question goes for Deathstalker ... |
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Post by kurz81 on Sept 20, 2020 10:56:42 GMT
Dromodon is not a magical creature, just a worshipper of Naar.
Also both Deathstalkers are demon-like creatures (shapeshifters).
Valiance bonus does not apply here.
However magical foes are the most difficult enemies in following books (22, 25, 28, 29 and 30).
Second best weapons are Alema or Illuminatus.
I found book 22 the most difficult of new order series, by the way.
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Post by johntfs on Oct 16, 2020 0:58:59 GMT
Bah, you can drink it before going in the arena so nobody will notice it. Plus, nothing is said against natural doping... ;D Indeed but the Supreme Master is not sharing the Adgana! ;D He needs it, man. Those Brotherhood of the Crystal Star parties can get gnarly... For my part when I roll I rule you roll three times for CS, EP and initial GP then place your numbers as you wish - generally putting the low number in starting gold. Really my priority is CS, EP and GP in that order. I'm usually able to get at least a 5 in CS doing it that way. |
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Post by Oiseau on Oct 16, 2020 4:55:58 GMT
Huh. That's exactly the way my friends and I used to do it when I was a kid.
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