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Post by Frying Pan on Nov 9, 2004 18:49:53 GMT
I had a real WTF?! moment, quite some time ago. I don't remember exactly which Lone Wolf book it was (perhaps someone here will?). I was definitely playing on this site though. Anyway, it went something like this- I got pickpocketed by someone who is clearly the best thief in Magnamund. He got my padded leather waistcoat. Which I was wearing. Under a chainmail one! Just imagining the scene still makes me laugh! If anyone is wondering it was one of those situations where you lose a numbered item from your inventory, in this case special items rather than the usual backpack items (or maybe I had no backpack items and lost a special item instead) and it just happened to be the waistcoat. That was probably your (anti-)climactic encounter with your arch-nemesis, Lone Giak: projectaon.proboards30.com/index.cgi?board=auxiliary&action=display&thread=1088653230
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Nov 10, 2004 15:41:57 GMT
The entire text of A Dagger in the Spine/The Claws of Helgedad gets my vote.
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Post by Sol on Nov 12, 2004 14:52:27 GMT
My Ultimate WTF moment:
When, finding myself halfway through the Grandmaster series, I found out that I was reading the ABRIDGED versions...!!!
WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Nov 15, 2004 15:36:57 GMT
My Ultimate WTF moment: When, finding myself halfway through the Grandmaster series, I found out that I was reading the ABRIDGED versions...!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!! You're right! I change my vote! I change my vote! Please count it!
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Post by Laguna Blade on Nov 17, 2004 9:12:05 GMT
Zakhan Kimah, Chaosmaster and the upcoming Deathlord Ixia definitely get my vote!!! Of course, together with the unintentional explosion of black cube in which blown poor Lone Wolf and our friend Gnaag and his minions to smitherens. (I kind of forget what is the purpose of having the black cube anyway)
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simkn
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Post by simkn on Nov 18, 2004 20:45:33 GMT
My Ultimate WTF moment: When, finding myself halfway through the Grandmaster series, I found out that I was reading the ABRIDGED versions...!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!! That definitely gets a vote from me as well, but I think it takes second place to this: Finishing book 20 (albeit the abridged one) at age 17 and reading the text at the end about the next book: Voyage of the Moonstone. Subsequently, visiting the bookstores on a regular basis year after year waiting for book 21 to hit the shelves, wondering when Joe Dever is ever going to finish it. Then, the WTF moment when, in college, thanks to the internet which I lacked as a teenager (I envy you kids now), I discover that not only has book 21 been published in the UK, but so have books 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, AND 28, all without my knowledge!! All that going on and me not having a clue. WTF!!! And how was I ever to find out in pre-Internet days? Plus I was so late in finding out that the books were already out of print. Those of us in the US that have been die-hard LW fans since day one got screwed... to this day I still haven't read all of those books. :-(
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Post by Sol on Nov 18, 2004 21:18:37 GMT
Simkn, You are RIGHT! That takes the cake... YOU WIN! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!
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Post by Nyxator on Nov 19, 2004 22:23:03 GMT
I'm not sure this one counts, but my most WTF moment was when I received the LW RPG, immediately searched for the new expanded timeline which I believed to contain long-awaited new elements directly taken from Joe Dever's notes... only to find that most of the new parts were taken from a fanfiction I had read on the web a few years before. The RPG still remains an excellent product, and has the great merit of bringing Magnamund back to life, but that episode was disappointing.
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Post by Nathan P. Mahney on Nov 20, 2004 7:55:34 GMT
Borrowing a friend's copy of Plague Lords of Ruel and reading the descriptions of the Grand Master Disciplines would have to be it for me. At this point I'd only read up to Book 10, so I hadn't really seen the power level Lone Wolf could reach. Book 13 just seemed to take it to ridiculous levels.
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Post by wait Nyxator on Nov 20, 2004 8:40:20 GMT
which parts were taken from a fanfic?
You certain? The details about the False Dragons? Or how life comes from the blood of Kai's son before Nyxator is brought into being?
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Post by Nyxator on Nov 20, 2004 10:29:03 GMT
Yes, those parts about Ailendar, the Scarling, Maligna, Sinnigar, the Shianti sun going nova (I'm not so sure about this one. I mean, it was in that fanfiction, but it could have been in the Legends, too) and, if memory serves right, the building of Naaros by Kekataag and the Mindless Ones, too. Possibly there were other parts that now I can't remember.
It was a timeline written by Ian Johnson, an ex-member of the Kaiwisdom mailing list, for the Magnamund Companion II project. It was hosted on the Secrets of the Kai website, which unfortunately is no longer online.
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Post by Ghost of Landar on Nov 20, 2004 12:25:50 GMT
Now that you mention it, the Sinnigar and Scarlings sounded familiar to me.
I hate to say it, but that kind of sucks. There was a reason that stuff kind of rubbed me the wrong way, it never felt like it came from Joe. And the Star Wars prequel-esque naming of a major mythological character after a negative adjective(malignant) is kind of lame
I also don't think they got Taklakot right. They describe it as a city of undead, but it's clear in the book that these men are alive, but they are utterly mad and cannibalistic. They even live in a fantasy world where they still live in a great kingdom. I also wish we got more clear notes on what makes each race what. I'm still unclear on Tianese vs. Mythenish and where the Lissanese fit in(i assume separately) I think Joe meant for there to be African and Asiatic corresponding groups.
I think August also got the Freedom Guild of Karnali wrong. In the RPG it seems to say the Freedom Guild was an ironic name for an oppressive place, but the book makes clear that the Freedom Guild is the band of criminals and freedom fighters that is trying to kick out the Shadakine. There's even the climactic scene of Warward Kiro strangling the Witch and ending her use of the Kazim stone.
I know the RPG used Joe's notes, so maybe Joe just said go with some of that other stuff as a nod to the community and I think---isn't there some caveat about there being disputes in the myth of Magnamund?
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Post by Nyxator on Nov 20, 2004 13:46:50 GMT
I think August also got the Freedom Guild of Karnali wrong. In the RPG it seems to say the Freedom Guild was an ironic name for an oppressive place, but the book makes clear that the Freedom Guild is the band of criminals and freedom fighters that is trying to kick out the Shadakine. There's even the climactic scene of Warward Kiro strangling the Witch and ending her use of the Kazim stone. Exactly, that was an oversight because in the Magnamund Companion Karnali is listed as "The Freedom Guild of" and they copied that name forgetting that the Wytch was not yet overthrown at the time of the RPG. I know the RPG used Joe's notes, so maybe Joe just said go with some of that other stuff as a nod to the community and I think---isn't there some caveat about there being disputes in the myth of Magnamund? Yes, there is a paragraph saying something similar, just before the timeline. Honestly, though, I don't know to what extent JD was involved in the development of the RPG, because for instance the Vakeros description in "Magic of Magnamund" heavily contradicts what he wrote in the gamebooks (check section 89 of "Voyage of the Moonstone"). I certainly do not doubt that he strongly approved the product as a whole, but it can't be considered as "official" as the books he wrote personally. Just my opinion.
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