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Post by t0pel on Jun 24, 2011 14:30:54 GMT
Hi Dave, I have an idea concerning the alternated stats in the Mongoose edition of LW. I think we can all agree that some parts of the Magnakai edition (especially with Sommerswerd) are very very hard to a level where people leave SS behind for certain books. In this edition there are some changes in the hardest fights and these were (at least from what I read) made/aproved by Joe Dever. Whould you consider implementing some kind of feature which would allow us to change between two versions of these stats? Either before the section or at the begging of each book? There are 3 fights which are a bit easier in the new edition and 1 that is actually a lot harder :-D
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Post by huanchoo on Jun 24, 2011 14:56:50 GMT
Hi Dave, I have an idea concerning the alternated stats in the Mongoose edition of LW. I think we can all agree that some parts of the Magnakai edition (especially with Sommerswerd) are very very hard to a level where people leave SS behind for certain books. In this edition there are some changes in the hardest fights and these were (at least from what I read) made/aproved by Joe Dever. Whould you consider implementing some kind of feature which would allow us to change between two versions of these stats? Either before the section or at the begging of each book? There are 3 fights which are a bit easier in the new edition and 1 that is actually a lot harder :-D This is a fairly good idea. But I think the main problem is will Mongoose allow us to use their material just like this? I do certainly think it is a good idea, especially for those that do not have the new editions but think about it: for Dave to be able to put it into Seventh Sense it will have to be licensed to be published in PA first... which sadly is not yet...
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Post by t0pel on Jun 24, 2011 15:09:56 GMT
Well I haven't thought of that... I mean we would use just different numbers, which is only a small part of the whole content. But I am afraid that you are right and that this could be a problem. :-( Well we could call it a "tuned mode" and then say it is just a coincidence that the numbers are the same as in the ME version :-D
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2011 15:44:41 GMT
If you will list the actual combats (books/section numbers/and the old & new stats), I'll see about contacting Mongoose for specific permission to use their numbers in Seventh Sense (with a "choice" button to allow the player to go by either the original numbers or the updated ones).
I shouldn't think that it would be something they'd fuss about, but better to just ask them directly.
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Post by t0pel on Jun 24, 2011 15:55:13 GMT
Here is what I know:
Bk6 '26' Mongoose: Altan CS28 EP50(Target Points). Also the text explains you cannot use a Shield, etc. and Weaponmastery Bow adds +3CS in this instance, not +3 Random Number in Combat. {Previously Altan CS30 EP50}
Bk6 '252' Mongoose: Silver Oak Bow correction - now carried as a Special Item. {Previously Silver Oak Bow carried as a Weapon but confusingly treated as a Special Item Bk13+}
Bk8 '183' Mongoose: Gnaag Helghast CS34 EP48. (With Paido's Sword). {Previously Gnaag Helghast CS32 EP46 - harder now!}
Bk8 '308' Mongoose: Gnaag Helghast CS38 EP48. (With Sommerswerd). {Previously Gnaag Helghast CS32 EP46 - again harder now.}
Bks 8+ Mongoose state that you may now only carry 50 Coins of any type - Bk 10 even states "A Lune takes up the same space in your Belt Pouch as a Gold Crown even though it is worth only a quarter of a Gold Crown." However Bk 13 sets this straight saying you can carry coins up to 50 Gold Crowns in value in your Belt Pouch. After all 50 Kika = 5 Gold Crowns only!
Bk9 '10' Mongoose: Zakhan Kimah CS30 EP38. (With Dagger of Vashna) {Previously Zakhan Kimah CS34 EP40 - still better to just throw it!}
Bk9 '128' Mongoose: Zakhan Kimah CS39 EP46. (With Sommerswerd) {Previously Zakhan Kimah CS44 EP50}
Bk9 '188' Mongoose: Zakhan Kimah CS29 EP38. (With Psychic Ring) {Previously Zakhan Kimah CS34 EP40 - Ring now better than Dagger}
Bk10 Mongoose: Starting Equipment now includes Potion of Alether +2CS (Yes!) {Previously not mentioned, even with everthing maxed Bks 9 & 11 practically impossible}
Bk10 '54' Mongoose: Silver Oak Bow does not 'count' as a Special Item Weapon vs Lapillibore AND Tutelarys with Weaponmastery only deduct 2 CS if they have no Speial Item Weapon. {Previously not mentioned}.
Bk10 '304' Mongoose: Fighting one-handed you cannot use a Shield vs Lapillibore. {Previously not mentioned}
Bk11 '204' Mongoose: Chaos Master (Badly Wounded) CS38 EP54. (With Ironheart Broadsword) {Previously Chaos Master (Badly Wounded) CS40 EP58}
Bk11 '270' Shadow Reavers Psychic Combat now states you may claim the +2CS Bonus from the Silver Helm but not from Shield or EP Bonus from Armour. You also cannot claim CS bonus for Alether, Sommerswerd, etc. {Previously not mentioned}
Bk11 '341' Mongoose: Chaos Master (Lightly Wounded) CS44 EP62. (With Sommerswerd) {Previously Chaos Master (Lightly Wounded) CS47 EP68}
Bk12 Mongoose: Mini-Adventure informs us a Bronin Vest may not be worn with a Chainmail Waistcoat but can be worn with a Padded Leather Waistcoat (or I assume worn over Kagonite Chainmail instead).
Hope that helps - there probably are other changes but I haven't played the new versions yet just skimmed. I am waiting to get all the books and read them in one big run.
Cheers, Richard.
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Post by t0pel on Jun 24, 2011 15:58:29 GMT
Since I don't actually own the books, I can't verify this 100 percent, but this guy seemed like a hardcore fan who would double check everything. :-P They are from the offical mongoose forum btw. Even so, if someone on this forum owns all the books it would be great if he/she could verify it. :-)
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Post by outspaced on Jun 24, 2011 19:05:14 GMT
All of these alterations will either be footnoted or errata-fied for the PA editions in the future. I'd advise to go ahead and make their optional use part of Seventh Sense. (After all, many of these changes are based on footnotes we originally added to our editions in the first place...)
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2011 23:51:36 GMT
Thanks for the extensive report, t0pel. That's more stuff than I thought (not all of it is combat, though.)
And thanks for the go-ahead, outspaced. I'll include the option to choose original CS/EP numbers, or the updated Mongoose CS/EP numbers on the battles that are affected.
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Post by Dave on Jul 4, 2011 22:18:52 GMT
I've incorporated the changes (up to book 9) - player is now given a choice between the "old/original" values and the "new/re-done" values for each combat.
If a player is playing on Hardcore, then the more difficult stats are chosen by default (no choice given to select the lower stats!)
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