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Post by outspaced on Nov 19, 2004 14:50:01 GMT
The following quote from The Magnamund Companion shuld hopefully clear up the whole 'noble' and 'lord' business.
The 'children of warrior lords', then, do not actually have to be the lords' own progeny, but are apparently the children with the most Kai-potential from any strata of Sommlending society.
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Post by Sol on Nov 19, 2004 18:56:41 GMT
Good one, Outspaced!
We do see here that girls are definitely trained in combat. Presumably also, they may become Kai. Would it me more appropriate to refer to Kai Lords and Ladies? Kai Masters and Mistresses?
Sometimes I questioned whether the list of Kai Ranks should be revised for female Kai. Does anyone think "Kai Master" is more a male title? Or do you think it is equally good for a male or female kai of the same rank?
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Post by Peregrine on Nov 19, 2004 20:14:27 GMT
I'd say it can be used for both. If nothing else, we can observe that the pantheon of Good are called the Lords of Light and number Ishir among them. (For what the real world's worth in this discussion, men and women both get Master's degrees. And Bachelor's at that.)
If it's of any interest, my personal interpretation of the overall situation (pondered upon far too extensively, I'm sure) has long been that... 1. The Kai Lords can and do have children. Kai skills have a tendency to be hereditary. 2. Not all of the Kai Lords necessarily remain at the Monastery (or on missions away from it) after they're trained. If they have no desire or capability to pursue the Magnakai Disciplines, they might just go settle down somewhere (as a soldier or commander, an envoy or agent, or even a craftsman or farmer?), coming back for Fehmarn, for occasional practice, or if they're needed. Thus the Kai monks could perhaps be celibate while they serve at the Monastery, while others go raise families. (This also explains the rarely-seen term "Kai monks" and how they differ from the "Kai Lords" in general.) 3. Many or most of the children of the Sommlending nobility are trained for a time at the Monastery. The Kai are excellent teachers, of course, and this gives them the chance to screen the young people for innate Kai skills. 4. Others are taken into the Monastery if they are discovered to have latent or manifesting Kai skills. Perhaps the Kai can (sixth-)sense the potential in others? I don't know what else there is in canon (or Legends) about it, but based on 11tpot, where we learn that Lone Wolf came from the village of Dage (and seemingly not some noble family), I imagine this to be how he came to be a Kai Lord.
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 20, 2004 0:55:48 GMT
This is exactly what I was thinking of, Peregrine. I always tought that if a Kai Lord wanted to marry a woman, he must then leave the monastery so that he can do his conjugal homework without waking up a roommate or being scared that young Kai rookies might be looking thru the keyhole of the door of his room.
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Post by columbob on Nov 29, 2004 17:33:27 GMT
Another thing I noticed is that rarely (except maybe one or two times) does Joe Dever actually quote Lone Wolf. That is, when Lone Wolf says something, the text just tells us he says it, without giving an exact quotation. Now that I've just read the GM adventures, I can say that LW is quoted quite a few times in that series.
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Post by columbob on Nov 29, 2004 17:36:09 GMT
We do see here that girls are definitely trained in combat. Presumably also, they may become Kai. Would it me more appropriate to refer to Kai Lords and Ladies? Kai Masters and Mistresses? We also see a picture of a female Kai Lord in book 18, when the monastery is under attack by the Lavas. It's not a full-page picture, just a little one between two sections, you see a young man with a spear and this girl both fighting one of the Lavas.
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Post by Frying Pan on Nov 29, 2004 19:33:16 GMT
Would it me more appropriate to refer to Kai Lords and Ladies? Kai Masters and Mistresses? Combine that with the "Dungeons of Torgar" and you've a wonderfully complete S&M setup...
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Post by Sol on Nov 29, 2004 19:38:01 GMT
Columbob,
That is the best evidence I have seen yet! Good eye!
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Post by columbob on Nov 29, 2004 19:42:11 GMT
Columbob, That is the best evidence I have seen yet! Good eye! I love Dawn of the Dragons, it has all these little snippets of info on the New Order, some names of new Kai Masters (some deceased, unfortunately ), and even a full picture of the complete Monastery! It complements the picture from the Magnamund Companion pretty nicely.
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 29, 2004 20:08:31 GMT
We also see a picture of a female Kai Lord in book 18, when the monastery is under attack by the Lavas. It's not a full-page picture, just a little one between two sections, you see a young man with a spear and this girl both fighting one of the Lavas. Are you sure that it is a girl? Does it has breasts? In the Newsletter 24, there's an extract of The Skull of Agarash and, like someone said, the Kai Lord named Dawn Light has a very androgynous look. I decided that he was not a female since he doesn't seem to have bosoms. I never saw the picture you are refering to, so I can't say if you are right.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 29, 2004 23:03:48 GMT
I don't ever recall there being a rule against female kai. And it just doesn't seem very... "kai-like" to not allow someone in because of their sex.
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Post by columbob on Nov 30, 2004 12:22:31 GMT
Are you sure that it is a girl? Does it has breasts? In the Newsletter 24, there's an extract of The Skull of Agarash and, like someone said, the Kai Lord named Dawn Light has a very androgynous look. I decided that he was not a female since he doesn't seem to have bosoms. I never saw the picture you are refering to, so I can't say if you are right. It certainly has breasts and a female form (smaller waist). I'll try to find the section for you to check.
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 30, 2004 14:44:34 GMT
It certainly has breasts and a female form (smaller waist). I'll try to find the section for you to check. This is interesting! It might be the first proof that female Kai Lords really exist! But I have the French version of the book and they took out most of the small illustrations in the GM series, so I can't check that by myself. I'll have to wait for the book to be on PA, but you still can give the number of the section so that the other people here could check.
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Post by Frying Pan on Nov 30, 2004 15:22:23 GMT
Just because it has breasts doesn't mean it's female!
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Post by Sol on Nov 30, 2004 15:56:02 GMT
I would say that if the Kai accepted crossdressers or transgendered members that we could assume that they are also open-minded enough to accept women!
A new question regarding the picture in question - assuming she is a female, is she definitely a kai?
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