stupid archlords

[kai]

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[John Bryntze]

Darklord Haakan?
Haakon!
Darklord of the Iron Helm. Haakon, also known as Darklord Haakon, is a darklord created by Naar to conquer Magnamund for evil. Originally he was the master of Aarnak, but became the Archlord of the Darklords before his death by Lone Wolf.

[John Bryntze]

Gnaag was awesome, Vashna seems pretty cool, a bit unlucky against a Sommerlund King... so either Zagarna or Haakon

[jdubs1211]

I voted Zagarna since Haakon was at least wise enough to not leave himself open to attack in the sun.

[moonblade]

I’m voting for Gnaag. He’s a giant FLY. All Lone Wolf should brought to Helgedad to fight that guy in book 12 was a pot of honey.

[Zipp]

Haakon. He was fooled by Zahkan Kimah for god's sake.

[johntfs]

Jun 23, 2018 15:31:42 GMT Zipp said:

Haakon. He was fooled by Zahkan Kimah for god's sake.

He was also stupid enough to give Kimah the Orb of Death before getting the Book of the Magnakai. Anyone foolish enough to face Kimah using the Sommerswerd in Book 9 knows how scary he is. CS: 39, EP 46 vs Haakon's CS28, EP 45, figure Kimah swats Haakon like he was a tinier Gnaag.

[Nym90]

Haakon's stats were only so low because he was outside the Darklands, while Kimah's were only so high due to the Orb.

Plus it's not like Haakon was wrong to trust Kimah to help carry out his evil plan.

[kai]

I always thought Haakon was the stupid one. What darklord fights somebody when he knows for a fact that the person is wielding the somerswerd? He got a break because he was underground, but he still had a pretty low cs.

[johntfs]

Jun 30, 2018 4:56:11 GMT Nym90 said:

Haakon's stats were only so low because he was outside the Darklands, while Kimah's were only so high due to the Orb.

Plus it's not like Haakon was wrong to trust Kimah to help carry out his evil plan.

Yeah, but Haakon was still outside the Darklands and Kimah did have the Orb of Death. Presumably Kimah was fine with Haakon destroying Lone Wolf and the Book of the Magnakai, since they would have been (and eventually were) threats to Kimah. What might have happened had Haakon succeeded we really don't know.

[Zipp]

Aug 28, 2018 16:46:52 GMT johntfs said:

Jun 30, 2018 4:56:11 GMT Nym90 said:

Haakon's stats were only so low because he was outside the Darklands, while Kimah's were only so high due to the Orb.

Plus it's not like Haakon was wrong to trust Kimah to help carry out his evil plan.

Yeah, but Haakon was still outside the Darklands and Kimah did have the Orb of Death. Presumably Kimah was fine with Haakon destroying Lone Wolf and the Book of the Magnakai, since they would have been (and eventually were) threats to Kimah. What might have happened had Haakon succeeded we really don't know.

I think if the Book of the Magnakai were destroyed, Haakon actually would end up hurting his cause. The best thing to do would be to take the book and read it to discover the location of the lost Lorestones, then seek out and destroy those. That's basically what Gnaag eventually did, minus the book of the magnakai. Haakon was all brute force. Gnaag was clever and calculating. Look which one got farther in their plans. Gnaag essentially wins the war (he just doesn't expect Lone Wolf to come marching into Helgedad).

Back to the book, if it were destroyed, I feel like Lone Wolf would still travel the world, seeking word of the Lorestones. He might find them in different order, but the Dessi know where a few are and that is a great start. The main downside for him would be tbe lack of Magnakai abilities, which would make him less prepared overall to fight the horrors that await him across Magnamund. But we also know that doesn't make his quest impossible, as you can play the series pretending you haven't taken ANY Magnakai disciplines.

.... anyway, in most universes, Lone Wolf dies at the hands of the Chaos Master regardless

[johntfs]

Sept 2, 2018 15:47:27 GMT Zipp said:

.... anyway, in most universes, Lone Wolf dies at the hands of the Chaos Master regardless

Actually, I'd figure he'd die from the Villains of Sommerlund/Vonatar fight at the end. If Lone Wolf uses the Ironheart Broadsword, he gets +8 to his CS (+Weaponmastery bonuses if any) vs a "badly wounded" CM's CS 38; EP 54. If LW has the Sommerswerd the CM is merely "wounded" and has a CS of 44 and an EP of 62. However, LW can uses a Shield (+2 CS) with the Sommerswerd and can also add an extra +2 to his CS if he's mastered the Lore Circle of the Spirit, so, overall the CM likely only has a +2 advantage in CS with the Sommerswerd vs the Ironheart Broadsword with extra 8 points of EP. A tougher fight, sure, but pretty winnable as well. And the Sommerswerd makes a HUGE difference in the final battle with the VoS and Vonatar.