Carrying over of CS & EP

[Moo]

Hm. Instead of stacking up bonuses, what I always did was read where book 13 says:

"For five years, ever since the demise of the Darklords of Helgedad, you have devoted yourself to developing further your fighting prowess--COMBAT SKILL--and physical stamina--ENDURANCE. Before you begin your first Grand Master adventure you need to measure how effective your training has been. To do this, pick a number from the Random Number Table. If you pick a 0 it counts as zero."

Then I just pick a couple random numbers and add them to my base scores carried over from the Magnakai series (including Lore-Circle bonuses only).

I figured that the 25 CS and 30 EP you add the number to if starting with 13, was supposed to be representative of the "average" stat scores for someone that already did the first 12 books and got all the Lore-Circles (though on doing the math, it looks like that's not the case).

So if 25 and 30 are supposed to be "average" magnakai scores, the random number you add is how effective the 5 years between book 12 and 13 were, so you should add them whether new or veteran.

Fairly simple, and doesn't require quite as much of a logical leap as stacking weaponmasteries and stuff.

[Oiseau]

One way or another, you're quite dead when you meet Ixy. ;D

Really, those way-unbalanced battles ruin all of the Grand Master series' fun. I'm discovering them for the first time (recently bought the French editions of 13-20) and my Lone Wolf nostalgia is taking a pummelling from sheer unfairness. Does every damn book after 12 include a mandatory random-number pick where 0 or 1 kills you ? They're starting to make the Green Scepter's falling mast look cute.

The Oiseau

[Zipp]

That's why the Lone Wolf fan invented rerolls!

[Sailor]

Moo said:

Hm. Instead of stacking up bonuses, what I always did was read where book 13 says:

"For five years, ever since the demise of the Darklords of Helgedad, you have devoted yourself to developing further your fighting prowess--COMBAT SKILL--and physical stamina--ENDURANCE. Before you begin your first Grand Master adventure you need to measure how effective your training has been. To do this, pick a number from the Random Number Table. If you pick a 0 it counts as zero."

Then I just pick a couple random numbers and add them to my base scores carried over from the Magnakai series (including Lore-Circle bonuses only).

I figured that the 25 CS and 30 EP you add the number to if starting with 13, was supposed to be representative of the "average" stat scores for someone that already did the first 12 books and got all the Lore-Circles (though on doing the math, it looks like that's not the case).

So if 25 and 30 are supposed to be "average" magnakai scores, the random number you add is how effective the 5 years between book 12 and 13 were, so you should add them whether new or veteran.

Fairly simple, and doesn't require quite as much of a logical leap as stacking weaponmasteries and stuff.

Hey that´s very intersting Moo. That could solve many problems. A Kai student of Lone Wolf in the New Order books or a Newcomer to book 13 can´t be so much better if you forget the equipment that Lone Wolf carries.

[Relenoir]

One way or another, you're quite dead when you meet Ixy.

Ugh, tell me about it! Can't wait to take my frustrations out on him by helping edit the book to get it published on PA!.

[snfcn]

Oiseau said:

One way or another, you're quite dead when you meet Ixy. ;D

I played Ixia a short while ago. Loaded with Rendalim's Elixir, I was able to survive that encounter, only afterwards...

[Vonotar]

Oiseau said:

One way or another, you're quite dead when you meet Ixy. ;D
The Oiseau

I think it's probably a good idea to save the Adgana from Book 12 to use in this battle. Haven't run through the final version of the book yet, but by my calculations it will put me on -4CS, which should be enough given that the Sommerswerd deals him double damage.

I'd just like to add that I agree with the previous poster who said that the CS bonus progression suggests that the bonuses replace each other. That was the same logic I used when deciding how the different series followed on from each other.

Weaponskill +2
Weaponmastery +3
Weaponmastery (improved) +4
Grand Weaponmastery +5


Mindblast +2
Psi-Surge +4 (+2 Mindblast)
Psi-Surge (improved) +6 (+3 Mindblast)
Kai-Surge +8 (+4 Mindblast)

[Oiseau]

Vonotar said:

I think it's probably a good idea to save the Adgana from Book 12 to use in this battle. Haven't run through the final version of the book yet, but by my calculations it will put me on -4CS, which should be enough given that the Sommerswerd deals him double damage.

So Joe Dever is, in fact, encouraging drug use in youth? ;D

The Oiseau

P.S. I was referring to fighting Ixiataaga when you treat the Grand Master series as a stand-alone, "third series" of Lone Wolf adventures, which is what you'll be doing if you don't play from Book 1 every single time. But I guess I should give up on that idea, since it's become quite clear that the GM adventures' difficulty level is off the scale. Where does Naar find all these people? With Shamath and Ixiataaga and Tagazin and Cadak and Vaxagore and such, why did he ever need to create Gnaag and his friends?

[snfcn]

Oiseau said:

Where does Naar find all these people? With Shamath and Ixiataaga and Tagazin and Cadak and Vaxagore and such, why did he ever need to create Gnaag and his friends?

I think that was sufficently explained in another thread. Have you never wondered why suddenly Shadow Gates appear everywhere? Or where Cadak got his marble from that you see in his room in Book13? The answer lies at the end of Book 19 and in Book 20.

[Oiseau]

Yeah ... I just got to Book 19 yesterday ... To my great surprise, I realized Books 18 and 19 are actually playable as stand-alones, assuming maximal stats (you always have to assume maximal stats in Lone Wolf, original Kaï series excepted). They give you opportunities to restore Endurance, and the enemies are reasonably difficult, not exceedingly so. I cleared both 18 and 19 on my first attempt (maximal stats and 6 Disciplines, as well as loyalty bonuses, however, no Kaï ranks when asked).

The Oiseau