Question about New Order books and Magnakai

[zarddd]

Are the Magnakai disciplines and Lore circle bonuses applicable in the New Order Books since youre already a Grand Master?

For example, if I dont choose Grand Weaponmastery to start off with, do I still get +4CS from Magnakais Weaponmastery in the meantime. I know it works for the Grand Master books if youve completed the Magnakai series but I cant find any information about this for the New Order books. As for the Lore circles I havent seen any information either.

Thanks

[Oiseau]

My guess is you're not supposed to "know" about the previous bonuses if you're playing New Order. It's a brand new series with a brand new hero, and all character bonuses should be built into your starting stats. Although, as long as you don't stack the bonuses, I guess there's nothing wrong with saying "as long as I don't choose Kai-Surge I'm still allowed to use Psi-Surge" — it might make the first books more interesting, as you're no longer forced to pick Grand Weapon Supremacy and Grand Psychic Annihilation just to live through the fights.

Honestly, things like that should have been clarified in the rules, especially since there's already a dedicated section that summarizes the Magnakai Disciplines — and they even mention the Healing legacy bonus.

Something to think about for the Definitive Editions?

[kurz81]

Lore circles bonus do not apply in new order books. You start with base 25 cs and 30 end.
The rules of book 21 do not mention weaponmastery giving +4cs bonus and psi-surge +6cs bonus. It could be interpretated also that you can use mindblast only if you have Kai-Surge.
This leads to grand weaponmastery and kai-surge being mandatory.

[Black Cat]

Jul 19, 2020 5:11:25 GMT kurz81 said:

Lore circles bonus do not apply in new order books. You start with base 25 cs and 30 end.

That's because the Lorecircle bonuses are included in those basics 25 CS and 30 EP.

A Magnakai player who has played all the previous books should have a CS looking like this when he starts the GM series: 10 (basic CS score in the first 12 books) + 5 (CS bonus granted by Lorecircles) + 4 (CS granted by Weaponsmastery) + 6 (CS granted by Psi-Surge) + X (the random number picked by the player) = 25 + X

Same thing with the EP score: 20 + 11 (EP bonus granted by Lorecircles) + X (the random number picked by the player) = 31 + X (Joe rounded it down to 30, because it would had looked odd to add 31 for a rookie player to the number picked).

I have always assumed that when starting the NO series, you cannot add the Magnakai bonuses because they are already included in the player's starting CS score.

[Oiseau]

But then Grand Weaponmastery would add to the Weaponmastery bonus already baked in your stats, and likewise for Kai Surge… which is wrong… or is it?


( I think this debate has been flogged to death before. ^_^ )