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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 30, 2020 20:31:03 GMT
In this thread I was going over all the unique Lone Wolf cover art: projectaon.proboards.com/thread/3033/lone-wolf-unique-cover-differencesBut there wasn't any perfect central resource for finding out who the artists were - gamebooks.org had some, but quite a few were missing and a few were clearly wrong (though in the main it has been an outstanding resources without which I wouldn't have gotten this far either for author names or for being able to work out where LW was published). So I have had a go at it myself by checking various sites, contacting artists, and help from other PA members. I'm ignoring reprints where none of the art for any of the books themselves change (ignoring layout-only changes like "best gamebook award" etc). If an artist's name has a number next to it, it means it is their second/third art piece for a specific book. I am very aware this is not the best visualisation, as it was originally meant just for my quick reference, until I realised there were quite a few covers where it seems the artist was unknown. Yellow shaded means I don't know or don't have any attribution: Shaded green = Mantikore gamebooks released in both English and German (all non-shaded Mantikore titles are German only). Shaded blue = Mantikore gamebooks released in English only (all non-shaded Mantikore titles are German only). Shaded yellow = Unknown or attribution is second hand. I have Neal McPheeters tentatively penciled in for book 12 of the pacer LW and 4 of the pacer GS editions due to this post by KaiLord. I have absolutely no reason to doubt him: And I think 24 of the Edizioni EL version is by PAJ due to, well, it looking like art PAJ would do. If anyone could confirm, that'd be great. (confirmed, found his signature on it)
The following I have no idea about at all (edit, removed Beaver GS3&4 from below image as now know Pete Lyon did them, and Beaver LW3, 4 & 6 1st Ed as now know Danny Flynn (3/4) and Brian Salmon (6) did them.  ):  Speaking of KaiLord , on their old site they mentioned something puzzling: "From my best guess, books 6-8 were printed in the same "run". Books 1-5 of the reprints have a bar at the bottom reading "The best role-playing adventures". Books 6, 7, and 8 have a bar reading "Best Game Book of the Year Award Winners". The "Magnakai" banner changed in color from yellow to white. See below." Unfortunately the image this refers to was not archived by wayback, but the puzzling thing is that I've never seen a version of book 6 that says "Best Game Book of the Year Award Winners". I have seen the original one that says "The best role-playing adventures" (and has the yellow banner), which is posted above by Brian Salmon and the Fred Gambino reprint that says "Lone Wolf - Winner of..." (and has the white banner) as below: Is there a book 6 cover I have never seen? Presumably it's one of the two existing cover arts with different formatting, though a google image search brings up nothing.
I have emailed Mantikore about their new reprints of the New Order books & Grey Star books. Since they are so recent they should have the information to hand and hopefully will share. (They did ) Finally, does anyone know who did this art: It seems to be the only unique art Goldmann ever had for Lone Wolf, all the others being from other editions (or in the case of book 5/6, being coloured versions of Gary Chalk interior art).
-edit Thanks to Bulletrider in the coverart thread, I've been able to add the Bulgarian coves (Khermes). Debatable whether these were properly licensed - they were originally made for AD&D, dunno if that stuff is licensed out. |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 12:20:35 GMT
Update - Mantikore kindly replied and let me know the artist for their books.  Have updated the above. |
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Post by Black Cat on Dec 31, 2020 15:48:21 GMT
If a publisher's name has a 2/3 by it, it means it is their second/third time publishing the same book with *different* art (I'm ignoring reprints where the art itself doesn't change). Your section on Gallimard section is a little bit confusing: if you only list gamebooks with a different cover from a previous edition, then your Gallimard 2 column should only list the first 7 books as the rest all use the same artwork from the first edition. Also, for Mongoose, the covers of books 13 to 17 were made by Pascal Quidault (as Alberto Dal Lago quitted collaborating with this publisher, as I have explained in the other thread). For Holmgard Press, somehow, you have already put Alberto Dal Lago's name for the cover artist of book 28 (which as yet to be announced). |
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Post by Black Cat on Dec 31, 2020 16:05:24 GMT
Ok, I think that you've just put your finger on a mistake (or is it?) made by Project Aon. The website has a bibliography page: linkIn it, all the Grey Star books list Paul Bonner as the cover illustrator of the Beaver edition. That clearly contradicts your list which has Iain McCaig as the cover illustrator of the first two books. Apparently, he did at least made the cover of GS 2 as he used it to represent himself in the BattleCards game: link |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
If a publisher's name has a 2/3 by it, it means it is their second/third time publishing the same book with *different* art (I'm ignoring reprints where the art itself doesn't change). Your section on Gallimard section is a little bit confusing: if you only list gamebooks with a different cover from a previous edition, then your Gallimard 2 column should only list the first 7 books as the rest all use the same artwork from the first edition. Also, for Mongoose, the covers of books 13 to 17 were made by Pascal Quidault (as Alberto Dal Lago quitted collaborating with this publisher, as I have explained in the other thread). For Holmgard Press, somehow, you have already put Alberto Dal Lago's name for the cover artist of book 28 (which as yet to be announced). Cheers. I'd updated the OP in the other thread, but forgot to update my spreadsheet as originally it was just for me to keep track of art I hadn't found yet. About the Gallimard thing, it is a bit confusing, but since the Gallimard reprint artists do not have a "2" next to their name, it is clear it is the same art as the first print. I thought of doing it other ways, but they also come off as unclear unless I was to have every print listed, which I do not want to do.  Ok, I think that you've just put your finger on a mistake (or is it?) made by Project Aon. The website has a bibliography page: linkIn it, all the Grey Star books list Paul Bonner as the cover illustrator of the Beaver edition. That clearly contradicts your list which has Iain McCaig as the cover illustrator of the first two books. Apparently, he did at least made the cover of GS 2 as he used it to represent himself in the BattleCards game: linkTo be honest, I was attributing 1 to Iain because it seemed to be "common knowledge", I'd seen it in a bunch of places and the art was quite similar to book 2, which I was 100% sure was by him due to the battlecard. I just ran a targetted google search on PA and found this, which I'd not seen before (may be an orphaned page): www.projectaon.org/en/Creators/CoverArtistsIt lists Iain McCaig as the cover artist for Beaver Grey Star 1-4, and Richard Corben as cover artist for 1-4 of the Pacer version. Given the shift in artstyle from book 1/2 to 3/4 in the Beaver series, and KaiLord apparently having confirmation of Neal McPheeters doing book 4 of the Pacer GS art, I'm not sure as to the veracity to it, and obviously the page is no longer normally accessible it might be very old information that was later superseded. To share some of the ones that didn't seem to be common knowledge (at least as far as I could find): Pacer 17-20 & Edizioni EL 21-22, 25-26 being PAJ - a few of them instantly stood out to me as the kind of thing PAJ would do, so I searched his website and found them all in his catalogue. Edizioni EL 27-28 being by Chris Achilléos - they didn't look like PAJ's art, but 27 looked like something from an old game (Talisman), checked and followed the breadcumbs to his site: LW27 chrisachilleos.co.uk/artwork/fantasy/“The Red Dragon Challenge” LW28 chrisachilleos.co.uk/artwork/fantasy/page/4/#“The Quest” |
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Post by Black Cat on Dec 31, 2020 18:45:30 GMT
About the Gallimard thing, it is a bit confusing, but since the Gallimard reprint artists do not have a "2" next to their name, it is clear it is the same art as the first print. I thought of doing it other ways, but they also come off as unclear unless I was to have every print listed, which I do not want to do. Then, you should also put the artists of books 21 and 22 in the Gallimard 2 column (these books were both published in the 2nd edition with the same cover art from the 1st edition) to keep in line with what you did with the previous books. One way to help clean this, and without listing all print, would be to rename your columns for Gallimard (as it is one of the very few editors to have more than one cover for the same books). Instead of Gallimard 1, 2 and 3, make the columns represent the edition they were published in. Gallimard 1st edition would take all the books between 1 and 22, Gallimard 2nd edition, books 1 to 28, and Gallimard 5th edition, books 1 to 3 and 29. For books 8 to 22 in the second edition, just write "same cover" instead of the artist name; for the unpublished books in the 1st edition and 5th edition, put the N/A. You could do the same thing for Beaver 2 and Mantikore 2 (both are 2nd edition). I think it will help to understand which artist was used during which edition because now, it is not clear that you are refering to the first cover ever made for a book and not the edition it was printed in (someone not reading your post and just checking the Excel sheet would be confused). Something clear for you might not be clear for someone else. |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 19:44:46 GMT
About the Gallimard thing, it is a bit confusing, but since the Gallimard reprint artists do not have a "2" next to their name, it is clear it is the same art as the first print. I thought of doing it other ways, but they also come off as unclear unless I was to have every print listed, which I do not want to do. Then, you should also put the artists of books 21 and 22 in the Gallimard 2 column (these books were both published in the 2nd edition with the same cover art from the 1st edition) to keep in line with what you did with the previous books. One way to help clean this, and without listing all print, would be to rename your columns for Gallimard (as it is one of the very few editors to have more than one cover for the same books). Instead of Gallimard 1, 2 and 3, make the columns represent the edition they were published in. Gallimard 1st edition would take all the books between 1 and 22, Gallimard 2nd edition, books 1 to 28, and Gallimard 5th edition, books 1 to 3 and 29. For books 8 to 22 in the second edition, just write "same cover" instead of the artist name; for the unpublished books in the 1st edition and 5th edition, put the N/A. You could do the same thing for Beaver 2 and Mantikore 2 (both are 2nd edition). I think it will help to understand which artist was used during which edition because now, it is not clear that you are refering to the first cover ever made for a book and not the edition it was printed in (someone not reading your post and just checking the Excel sheet would be confused). Something clear for you might not be clear for someone else. I think I updated it how you suggested it lol, see if you think it looks clearer. |
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Post by Black Cat on Dec 31, 2020 20:01:10 GMT
I think I updated it how you suggested it lol, see if you think it looks clearer. Yes it is! You could do the same thing with Beaver 2 and Mantikore 2 as I have suggested but hey, it's your list, you can do whatever you want! But one thing you can't do is to omit that Alberto Dal Lago did the cover of book 26 for Holmgard Press as it is currently missing on your list.  |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 20:16:51 GMT
Yes it is! You could do the same thing with Beaver 2 and Mantikore 2 as I have suggested but hey, it's your list, you can do whatever you want! Done. Hopefully it is easier for people to understand now. But one thing you can't do is to omit that Alberto Dal Lago did the cover of book 26 for Holmgard Press as it is currently missing on your list. Doh! |
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Post by palarran on Dec 31, 2020 20:17:21 GMT
Finally, does anyone know who did this art: It seems to be the only unique art Goldmann ever had for Lone Wolf, all the others being from other editions (or in the case of book 5/6, being coloured versions of Gary Chalk interior art).
I can't answer your question. All I can tell you is that the book's imprint shows
Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München ("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich")
but no name. The first page credits Brian Williams for the illustrations, but I assume this is just for the interior art.
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 20:28:10 GMT
Finally, does anyone know who did this art: It seems to be the only unique art Goldmann ever had for Lone Wolf, all the others being from other editions (or in the case of book 5/6, being coloured versions of Gary Chalk interior art).
I can't answer your question. All I can tell you is that the book's imprint shows Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München ("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich") but no name. The first page credits Brian Williams for the illustrations, but I assume this is just for the interior art.
Thanks! Do you also have Goldmann's book 5 & 6? Curious about how they credit the cover, since both covers are coloured versions of Gary Chalk's interior art. It's sad how much art was uncredited back then. --edit googling it, it seems this is something goldmann did a lot. |
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Post by palarran on Dec 31, 2020 20:46:30 GMT
I can't answer your question. All I can tell you is that the book's imprint shows Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München ("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich") but no name. The first page credits Brian Williams for the illustrations, but I assume this is just for the interior art.
Thanks! Do you also have Goldmann's book 5 & 6? Curious about how they credit the cover, since both covers are coloured versions of Gary Chalk's interior art. It's sad how much art was uncredited back then. I just checked: All 16 of Goldmann's Lone Wolf and Greystar books credit "Design Team, München" for the cover design, but book 9 is the only one where no artist is credited for the illustration itself.
Book 5's imprint states: Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München Umschlagillustration: Gary Chalk
("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich Cover Illustration: Gary Chalk")
Book 6's imprint states: Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München
nach eine Vorlage von Gary Chalk
("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich
based on an original by Gary Chalk")
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Dec 31, 2020 20:58:02 GMT
Thanks! Do you also have Goldmann's book 5 & 6? Curious about how they credit the cover, since both covers are coloured versions of Gary Chalk's interior art. It's sad how much art was uncredited back then. I just checked: All 16 of Goldmann's Lone Wolf and Greystar books credit "Design Team, München" for the cover design, but book 9 is the only one where no artist is credited for the illustration itself. Book 5's imprint states: Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München Umschlagillustration: Gary Chalk
("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich Cover Illustration: Gary Chalk") Book 6's imprint states: Umschlaggestaltung: Design Team, München
nach eine Vorlage von Gary Chalk
("Cover Design: Design Team, Munich
based on an original by Gary Chalk")
Got it, so the design team credit is for the layout/font/logo etc, and the artist for 9 is simply uncredited. Thanks for checking. |
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Post by palarran on Dec 31, 2020 21:04:58 GMT
Ok, I think that you've just put your finger on a mistake (or is it?) made by Project Aon. The website has a bibliography page: linkIn it, all the Grey Star books list Paul Bonner as the cover illustrator of the Beaver edition. That clearly contradicts your list which has Iain McCaig as the cover illustrator of the first two books. Apparently, he did at least made the cover of GS 2 as he used it to represent himself in the BattleCards game: linkI checked my Goldmann editions, which feature the same cover art as the Beaver ones. No illustrator is credited for the GS 2 cover there, but the other three cover illustrations are attributed to Paul Bonner. |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Jan 1, 2021 16:48:21 GMT
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