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Post by Black Cat on Nov 17, 2022 12:52:50 GMT
So... A few new books on the Holmgard Press website:
-Paperbacks can be ordered from magnamund.com again (but you have to select one of the resellers to buy it from)
-Pre-orders for the hardbacks of DE 6 & 7 will open on November 24
-*NEW* Limited Editions of the hardbacks for DE 6 & 7 (mostly, they are signed, numbered copies of the regular hardbacks, limited to 350 copies). Pre-orders will also open on November 24.
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Post by spartanroarke on Nov 17, 2022 13:30:02 GMT
So... A few new books on the Holmgard Press website: -Paperbacks can be ordered from magnamund.com again (but you have to select one of the resellers to buy it from) -Pre-orders for the hardbacks of DE 6 & 7 will open on November 24 -*NEW* Limited Editions of the hardbacks for DE 6 & 7 (mostly, they are signed, numbered copies of the regular hardbacks, limited to 350 copies). Pre-orders will also open on November 24. Interesting, so it sounds like the limited editions (LEs) will match the dust jackets of books 1-5 with the gold foil lettering, while the regular DEs get a slight downgrade to the look of the lettering. Edit: woah, looks like the new website literally just went live this minute. Edit edit: Website looks great! Still a bit buggy on my iPhone. |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Nov 17, 2022 13:41:53 GMT
So... A few new books on the Holmgard Press website: -Paperbacks can be ordered from magnamund.com again (but you have to select one of the resellers to buy it from) -Pre-orders for the hardbacks of DE 6 & 7 will open on November 24 -*NEW* Limited Editions of the hardbacks for DE 6 & 7 (mostly, they are signed, numbered copies of the regular hardbacks, limited to 350 copies). Pre-orders will also open on November 24. I wonder how many copies of Hardback 6 and 7 will be printed. |
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 17, 2022 14:06:19 GMT
I wonder how many copies of Hardback 6 and 7 will be printed. As many as they want: this is not a limited edition like the CEs were. They will reprint them when needed. |
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Post by tabz on Nov 18, 2022 15:13:13 GMT
Could I have a link to the discord server? I can't find it anywhere and would love to get some insight. This link will expire in 7 days, so sorry if you read this after that time  : discord.gg/w69j8y7WI did end up reading your reply after 7 days! xD |
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 25, 2022 17:16:08 GMT
So, preorders for books 6 & 7 DE hardbacks (and Limited Edition) are opening November 29th. Pre-orders for books 8 to 10 DE are opening in February 2023.
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Post by tabz on Nov 26, 2022 23:41:04 GMT
So, preorders for books 6 & 7 DE hardbacks (and Limited Edition) are opening November 29th. Pre-orders for books 8 to 10 DE are opening in February 2023. Thanks for the update Black Cat. I was excited when I saw the "Coming soon" message go but disappointed when I saw they still couldn't be ordered :/ Do you have any idea of when DE 6 and 7 are expected to ship? |
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 27, 2022 3:38:02 GMT
Thanks for the update Black Cat. I was excited when I saw the "Coming soon" message go but disappointed when I saw they still couldn't be ordered :/ Do you have any idea of when DE 6 and 7 are expected to ship? In a previous post in this thread, I've mentionned that I've found the website of a distributor listing two different dates for both books: linkI've since found other distrbutor sites that also list the books. Mostly, the hardbacks for 6 & 7 are planned for February 1st and the paperbacks of the same books for May 1st (also, paperbacks of books 4 & 5 on February 1st). However, keep in mind that they are not definitive dates: they might be published a few days earlier or later. They are approximations by the distributors but they give you an idea. |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Nov 27, 2022 15:35:50 GMT
Thanks for the update Black Cat. I was excited when I saw the "Coming soon" message go but disappointed when I saw they still couldn't be ordered :/ Do you have any idea of when DE 6 and 7 are expected to ship? In a previous post in this thread, I've mentionned that I've found the website of a distributor listing two different dates for both books: linkI've since found other distrbutor sites that also list the books. Mostly, the hardbacks for 6 & 7 are planned for February 1st and the paperbacks of the same books for May 1st (also, paperbacks of books 4 & 5 on February 1st). However, keep in mind that they are not definitive dates: they might be published a few days earlier or later. They are approximations by the distributors but they give you an idea. The question is whether the demand for the DE hardcovers will remain as strong as it is now. Most readers lost their interest in collecting the CE when book 14 was released despite the fact that the CE series contain bonus adventures. The DE hardcovers do not contain bonus adventures. While most collectors already have their 1990s softcover editions and CE, will they still be buying DE hardcovers (without bonus adventures)? The first few hardcover DEs were expected to generate good volume of sales because buyers were all hyped up in getting the first 5 DE. As time passes, with prices of DE books remaining low and affordable, eBay speculators will lose interest in acquiring these DE books as they come to their senses that it is not possible to make a small profit when Magnamund still has its stock. Only hardcore lone wolf fans will continue to buy the books up to DE20. These fans acquire the books for the purpose of collection, and not for profit. I wonder are there enough hardcore fans out there to ensure that Magnamund would at least breakeven. Printing those DE hardcovers arent cheap!! The quality of printing is impeccable. |
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 27, 2022 21:46:01 GMT
The question is whether the demand for the DE hardcovers will remain as strong as it is now. Most readers lost their interest in collecting the CE when book 14 was released despite the fact that the CE series contain bonus adventures. Ok, weird question, but why book 14 CE? Why not after book 17, when Mongoose lost the rights and started sending refunds to those who had signed for the Mega-Deal but didn't want to continue with Mantikore? It took a full week before it was announced that Mantikore took over the publication of the CEs and in the mean time, Mongoose had started sending refunds. Also, it might had taken a few more days before Mongoose agreeded to send Mantikore books to Mega-Deal buyers. The lost of interest was more at that time, not with book 14 IMO. As time passes, with prices of DE books remaining low and affordable, eBay speculators will lose interest in acquiring these DE books as they come to their senses that it is not possible to make a small profit when Magnamund still has its stock. Only hardcore lone wolf fans will continue to buy the books up to DE20. These fans acquire the books for the purpose of collection, and not for profit. I wonder are there enough hardcore fans out there to ensure that Magnamund would at least breakeven. Printing those DE hardcovers arent cheap!! The quality of printing is impeccable. Sorry that you think that LW fans are part of a very small selective group that doesn't grow. With the publication of the paperbacks, available in physical stores, and with the promotion done by Holmgard Press so far, there are already new fans that discover the series from what I see on the various social medias. Some old fans also regained interest in it. Saying that only hardcore fans will buy hardbacks is a little bit reductive. New fans might want to buy book 1 DE hardback to read the extended version of the story; someone might want to buy a hardback of book 5 for a friend for Xmas because the paperback is not available yet; parents might want to buy the hardback of book 6 for their kid for its birthday because they bought the paperbacks in store and the kid really likes them; a guy might want to buy the hardback of book 3 because, hey, he was paid a bonus at his job... There are collectors for the books but there are also casual buyers. That's funny that you wonder if there is enough LW fans to buy the hardbacks to avoid Holmgard Press getting in financial trouble because they are collecting them and not trying to make profit. It is as if you are thinking that each month, Holmgard Press orders 2000 new hardbacks even if they still have 1500 of them from the previous month because these books are not limited like the CEs are. Holmgard Press just needs to print a batch when necessary. You think like a speculator: if Holmgard prints 1000 copies only of a book, let's buy 33 copies and make cash on this because there will be demand! If Holmgard prints 1000 copies of a book but plans to print another batch of 1000 copies when the first one is sold out, there won't be demand... for the copies that I'm trying to resell on eBay! If speculators buy a lot of copies of limited books, it's because they think there is enough hardcore fans that will buy them from them. If there is enough hardcore fans for a limited book, there is enough hardcore fans for the unlimited hardbacks.  |
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Post by tabz on Nov 28, 2022 1:14:25 GMT
I'm an example of a new fan (started reading the books this year) and wants to complete the DE collection |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Nov 28, 2022 3:28:55 GMT
The question is whether the demand for the DE hardcovers will remain as strong as it is now. Most readers lost their interest in collecting the CE when book 14 was released despite the fact that the CE series contain bonus adventures. Ok, weird question, but why book 14 CE? Why not after book 17, when Mongoose lost the rights and started sending refunds to those who had signed for the Mega-Deal but didn't want to continue with Mantikore? It took a full week before it was announced that Mantikore took over the publication of the CEs and in the mean time, Mongoose had started sending refunds. Also, it might had taken a few more days before Mongoose agreeded to send Mantikore books to Mega-Deal buyers. The lost of interest was more at that time, not with book 14 IMO. As time passes, with prices of DE books remaining low and affordable, eBay speculators will lose interest in acquiring these DE books as they come to their senses that it is not possible to make a small profit when Magnamund still has its stock. Only hardcore lone wolf fans will continue to buy the books up to DE20. These fans acquire the books for the purpose of collection, and not for profit. I wonder are there enough hardcore fans out there to ensure that Magnamund would at least breakeven. Printing those DE hardcovers arent cheap!! The quality of printing is impeccable. Sorry that you think that LW fans are part of a very small selective group that doesn't grow. With the publication of the paperbacks, available in physical stores, and with the promotion done by Holmgard Press so far, there are already new fans that discover the series from what I see on the various social medias. Some old fans also regained interest in it. Saying that only hardcore fans will buy hardbacks is a little bit reductive. New fans might want to buy book 1 DE hardback to read the extended version of the story; someone might want to buy a hardback of book 5 for a friend for Xmas because the paperback is not available yet; parents might want to buy the hardback of book 6 for their kid for its birthday because they bought the paperbacks in store and the kid really likes them; a guy might want to buy the hardback of book 3 because, hey, he was paid a bonus at his job... There are collectors for the books but there are also casual buyers. That's funny that you wonder if there is enough LW fans to buy the hardbacks to avoid Holmgard Press getting in financial trouble because they are collecting them and not trying to make profit. It is as if you are thinking that each month, Holmgard Press orders 2000 new hardbacks even if they still have 1500 of them from the previous month because these books are not limited like the CEs are. Holmgard Press just needs to print a batch when necessary. You think like a speculator: if Holmgard prints 1000 copies only of a book, let's buy 33 copies and make cash on this because there will be demand! If Holmgard prints 1000 copies of a book but plans to print another batch of 1000 copies when the first one is sold out, there won't be demand... for the copies that I'm trying to resell on eBay! If speculators buy a lot of copies of limited books, it's because they think there is enough hardcore fans that will buy them from them. If there is enough hardcore fans for a limited book, there is enough hardcore fans for the unlimited hardbacks. Look at the supply of CE14-17 on eBay and you understand what i mean. If there were strong interest in buying CE14-17 at the time of printing, why is there a lack of supply of these four CEs? Obviously, there were very few buyers when CE14-17 was printed. Demand for these CE books might have slumped as soon as CE14-17 were printed. |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Nov 28, 2022 3:42:07 GMT
Ok, weird question, but why book 14 CE? Why not after book 17, when Mongoose lost the rights and started sending refunds to those who had signed for the Mega-Deal but didn't want to continue with Mantikore? It took a full week before it was announced that Mantikore took over the publication of the CEs and in the mean time, Mongoose had started sending refunds. Also, it might had taken a few more days before Mongoose agreeded to send Mantikore books to Mega-Deal buyers. The lost of interest was more at that time, not with book 14 IMO. Sorry that you think that LW fans are part of a very small selective group that doesn't grow. With the publication of the paperbacks, available in physical stores, and with the promotion done by Holmgard Press so far, there are already new fans that discover the series from what I see on the various social medias. Some old fans also regained interest in it. Saying that only hardcore fans will buy hardbacks is a little bit reductive. New fans might want to buy book 1 DE hardback to read the extended version of the story; someone might want to buy a hardback of book 5 for a friend for Xmas because the paperback is not available yet; parents might want to buy the hardback of book 6 for their kid for its birthday because they bought the paperbacks in store and the kid really likes them; a guy might want to buy the hardback of book 3 because, hey, he was paid a bonus at his job... There are collectors for the books but there are also casual buyers. That's funny that you wonder if there is enough LW fans to buy the hardbacks to avoid Holmgard Press getting in financial trouble because they are collecting them and not trying to make profit. It is as if you are thinking that each month, Holmgard Press orders 2000 new hardbacks even if they still have 1500 of them from the previous month because these books are not limited like the CEs are. Holmgard Press just needs to print a batch when necessary. You think like a speculator: if Holmgard prints 1000 copies only of a book, let's buy 33 copies and make cash on this because there will be demand! If Holmgard prints 1000 copies of a book but plans to print another batch of 1000 copies when the first one is sold out, there won't be demand... for the copies that I'm trying to resell on eBay! If speculators buy a lot of copies of limited books, it's because they think there is enough hardcore fans that will buy them from them. If there is enough hardcore fans for a limited book, there is enough hardcore fans for the unlimited hardbacks. Look at the supply of CE14-17 on eBay and you understand what i mean. If there were strong interest in buying CE14-17 at the time of printing, why is there a lack of supply of these four CEs? Obviously, there were very few buyers when CE14-17 was printed. Demand for these CE books might have slumped as soon as CE14-17 were printed. If you think there were strong buying interest in CE14-17, then why these books are not sold on eBay currently? CE15 could amount to £800 if a copy exist on eBay. The same happened to red fox 25-28, especially red fox 27 and 28. Buyers lost interest in these books and sales were bad. The same could be said to the definitive editions. Over time, buyers of a book series in general lost interest. Only a handful of ardent collectors will still buy these DE books. But are the numbers strong enough to generate at least zero economic profit when the higher numbers (say DE16 onwards) are printed? |
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 28, 2022 5:51:49 GMT
Look at the supply of CE14-17 on eBay and you understand what i mean. If there were strong interest in buying CE14-17 at the time of printing, why is there a lack of supply of these four CEs? Obviously, there were very few buyers when CE14-17 was printed. Demand for these CE books might have slumped as soon as CE14-17 were printed. If you think there were strong buying interest in CE14-17, then why these books are not sold on eBay currently? I see. I think the main reason why there was a "lost of interest" at that specific time can be explained in two parts. First, the price rose by 50% per book starting with book 14, from £10 for book 1 CE to £15 for book 14 CE and onward. Second, if you combine this with the "bad" reputation the publisher got with the LW gamebooks line following their many blunders, this had probably rebuked some casual buyers. The hardcore fans that collect the books had probably already signed for the Mega-Deal (which was not impacted by the rise), but you are probably right that less books were sold to these casual buyers, those that would eventually just sell their copies back on eBay for various reasons but I don't think it was because of the content of the books themselves. Also, the books you are referring to were the last books printed by Mongoose, at a time when the LW line was more a financial burden for them, so they probably weren't very keen to make reprints or promotion for the collection. So yeah, maybe a lost of interest but probably not among the hardcore fans, those that have kept their copies. That would come after book 17. BTW, you specifically mentions CE 14-17 but not the rest? What about 18 and onward, those published by Mantikore (18-22) and Holmgard Press (23-31)? Are they more easily available on eBay? So far, from what we saw with Holmgard, they did not do the same mistakes than Mongoose. I don't think they'll raise the price of the hardbacks by 50% all of a sudden and they have a pretty good reputation regarding the quality of their work. And they do a good job at promoting the series, contrary to what happened with Mongoose during the last few years they had the publishing rights*. I'm pretty sure the demand for the hardbacks will stay for a long while. *They did some good things over the years with the LW line, like relaunching the gamebook series and making the RPG. But they also made some serious mistakes along the way and sadly, people tend to forget the good things and focus on theses mistakes. Still, kudos for the good things they did! |
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Post by vkthor on Feb 1, 2023 13:51:15 GMT
Hi!
Kinda new fan here. I read a couple of books 20 years ago and loved them, and I want to get on board with the new Definitive Editions now that I'm more fluent in English (my native language is Spanish and I don't trust any spanish publisher to release the whole collection at this point).
Thing is, should I be worried for this new edition? From what I've read, publishing rights for Lone Wolf have been... complicated. I wouldn't want to start buying hardcover editions for 30€/book if later the publisher will stop at, say, book 11 or so.
Is paperback Definitive Edition then the safer route if I want to have a nice collection? Or maybe I'm worrying too much? Also, I don't know which of the two (paperback / hardcover) is the more durable option for a book that constantly makes you handle it changing pages every time you read / play it.
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