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Post by Omega M. on Apr 27, 2004 17:10:23 GMT
Speaking of the Jewelled Mace, does any book mention it after Shadow on the Sand, in which you find it? It's supposed to give you +5 Combat Skill against enemies like the one you fight on section 253 of that book, but what kinds of enemies are those?
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Post by Sarra on Apr 27, 2004 17:21:21 GMT
Hmm...I don't remember.
*Runs for his Lone Wolf stash.*
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Apr 27, 2004 17:50:22 GMT
I think the bonus is only against the Dhorgaan, though it can be successfully used against Helghast without the bonus.
BTW, am I the only one who was greedy enough to take all six silver maces?
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Post by Omega M. on Apr 27, 2004 19:04:14 GMT
Then it's a pretty silly item to be allowed to carry over to the Grand Master series.
Maybe it works on any creature such as the Dhorgaan that was created with the aid of magic. If so, it would be useful against the undead in the Deathlord of Ixia's city (Book 17), where you can't use the Sommerswerd without revealing yourself to the Deathlord.
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 27, 2004 20:41:41 GMT
I had mentioned something about that in another thread as well. Although they allow you to carry it over to the GM series, I don't think they ever prompt for it, and the books really should--something like: "If you have a Jewelled Mace or the Dagger of Vashna, turn to x." It should at least affect magical and undead creatures throughout the series. No, not at all. The itikar complained about the extra weight, but I made him carry it anyway!
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Post by Ghost Bear on Apr 28, 2004 18:52:59 GMT
I tend to take a sword, a dagger, the Sommerswerd and the Silver Bow as my weapon compliment. A dagger is useful in two particular places in the books that I can think of, so I always take one.
-GB
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Post by SuperNovice on Apr 30, 2004 9:07:40 GMT
Personally, I always just counted it as a weapon. I know it said special weapon but it is a sword after all. At least that's my reasoning.
As far as carrying weapons, I just tried not to go way overboard. Right now, I have Sommerswerd, Dagger of Vashna (WAY more useful than the Sommerswerd IMO), Silver Bow of Duadon, and Helshezag. 2 swords, a dagger, and a bow doesn't seem unreasonable to me considering what the rules technically allow.
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Post by Banedon on Apr 30, 2004 11:37:49 GMT
How is the Dagger of Vashna more useful than the Sommerswerd? I'd take +8 CS over +0 CS any day.
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Post by AlbinoChocobo on Apr 30, 2004 12:08:34 GMT
Highly magical (ie : affects all enemies), can be thrown, can save you from at least one fight you cannot win.
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Post by SuperNovice on May 2, 2004 1:17:27 GMT
How is the Dagger of Vashna more useful than the Sommerswerd? I'd take +8 CS over +0 CS any day. For the majority of the fights in every book, you don't NEED the Sommerswerd to win. Then every single fight where you really need it, the fight is much tougher (damn near impossible in some cases) to win with it. Take the fight with the Zakhan(sp?). You can win pretty much every time with the Dagger of Vashna and weaponmaster - dagger. Good luck winning that fight with any consistency using the Sommerswerd. The Chaos Master is another one. I saw a post that said you have a 10%(?) chance with the Sommerswerd. Yet if you don't have it, you can get a sword that still gives you the +8 CS bonus and drastically reduces the difficulty of the encounter. Overall, I found the Sommerswerd to be more hurtful than helpful in nearly every instance.
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Post by Vonotar on May 3, 2004 16:02:40 GMT
For the majority of the fights in every book, you don't NEED the Sommerswerd to win. Then every single fight where you really need it, the fight is much tougher ([darn] near impossible in some cases) to win with it. Take the fight with the Zakhan(sp?). You can win pretty much every time with the Dagger of Vashna and weaponmaster - dagger. Good luck winning that fight with any consistency using the Sommerswerd. The Chaos Master is another one. I saw a post that said you have a 10%(?) chance with the Sommerswerd. Yet if you don't have it, you can get a sword that still gives you the +8 CS bonus and drastically reduces the difficulty of the encounter. Overall, I found the Sommerswerd to be more hurtful than helpful in nearly every instance. I see what you mean, but not having the Sommerswerd can also cause problems. The main one I have encountered is in Book 11. The Chaos Master fight is very difficult, and might prompt people to leave the Sommerswerd in safe-keeping. However, your EP will still be dangerously low after the battle, and from then on it's a constant war of attrition as various encounters (Zhenga, Shadow Reavers etc) conspire to nibble away at your EP. Even with Curing, and various healing potions and plants collected. I sometimes find it a struggle to get back to full EP by the time I reach the Temple of the Sandai in Hadagar. Even if I succeed, the final two battles are very difficult. The Villains have CS 38 EP 46. The only weapon that will grant a CS bonus for this fight, apart from the Somerswerd, is the Bronin Warhammer (+1CS, so not much use). Not only do you have to survive the battle, but you need to survive 5EP damage immediately after, and then win a second battle (CS 30 EP 21). I've tried both ways, and having the Sommerswerd seems to be the only way to realistically complete the final stages of Book 11.
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Post by Vonotar on May 3, 2004 16:16:28 GMT
Take the fight with the Zakhan(sp?). You can win pretty much every time with the Dagger of Vashna and weaponmaster - dagger. Good luck winning that fight with any consistency using the Sommerswerd. Dagger of Vashna is the easiest way, but you need to leave the Sommerswerd in safe keeping to do that. That then leaves the question of how you would get it back to use in Books 10-11 (Book 10 is fine, but as mentioned above, problems can arise in Book 11). Since the Elder Magi come to join you in Tahou at the start of Book 10, you could argue that they bring the Sommerswerd with them. That would solve the problem. However, there is also a sneaky (but 100% legal) trick you can use for Book 9, which means you can't use the Dagger of Vashna or the Sommerswerd against Zakhan Kimah. You can use the Psychic Ring+nomal weapon option however, and this still makes the fight much easier than fighting him with the Sommerswerd. The trick requires a certain amount of explanation, so maybe I will post a separate thread on the subject. I can tell that at least one other board member knows it, so maybe he would like to do the honours?
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Post by SuperNovice on May 3, 2004 22:46:14 GMT
Hmmm...I didn't have a huge problem at the end of book 11 without the Sommerswerd. I certainly do remember a lot of fairly tough fights though. I've only read through the series once so it's possible I just got fabulously lucky and skated through.
I was thinking about rereading them to see if I could make it without dying. I'll pay closer attention to that section when/if I get there.
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Post by Relenoir on May 5, 2004 17:52:23 GMT
Yes, I believe I know what you're referring to. Only thing is, better make sure you crack the code for the door, because without those weapons the Zadragon will eat you for breakfast! If I'm correct, the answer depends on the outcome of a certain bar fight. . .
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