egel
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Post by egel on Jul 21, 2022 14:43:54 GMT
Hi, does anybody know anything about fort/city Gourlizog? It is situated completely in the north. Thank you.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 22, 2022 2:26:54 GMT
Never heard of this place... Is it from Francesco Mattioli's set of maps?
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Post by Rune Owl on Jul 22, 2022 3:46:53 GMT
It appears at the top edge of the big map by Honza. Here is a detail.
So far I haven't found any other reference to it.
The name translates to "cold prison" in the Giak language, which implies it is a stronghold of the Darklords. Usually cities and fortresses are built in strategic locations near natural resources or trade routes. This appears to be off by itself, in between the mountains and the pack ice. My best idea is that it could be a trading post with the Ice Barbarians.
Why do you ask? Do you have ideas for it?
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Post by Rune Owl on Jul 22, 2022 3:51:55 GMT
Or it could literally be a prison.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 22, 2022 16:04:29 GMT
It seems to also appear on Mattioli's map of Central Kalte (sorry, no better quality). There seems to be much more settlements in Kalte.  |
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Ixia
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Post by Ixia on Jul 25, 2022 1:36:18 GMT
In Les Grottes de Kalte (french translation of The Caverns of Kalte, published by Gallimard), there is a line about Gourlizog, in Les Archives de Magnamund (a supplement written by Scriptarium).
Here it is:
The second port of Kalte, Gourlizog, is a terrifying prison for the servants of the Darklands who made the mistake of doing Good.
(Original French: Le second port de Kalte, Gourlizog, est une terrifiante prison destinée aux serviteurs des Royaumes des Ténèbres ayant eu le tort de commettre le Bien).
Hope it helps.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 25, 2022 15:11:21 GMT
In Les Grottes de Kalte (french translation of The Caverns of Kalte, published by Gallimard), there is a line about Gourlizog, in Les Archives de Magnamund (a supplement written by Scriptarium). Then it appears in the DE version of book 3 too as the new French version of the series is based on the current DE version of Holmgard Press. |
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Post by palarran on Jul 25, 2022 18:28:38 GMT
In Les Grottes de Kalte (french translation of The Caverns of Kalte, published by Gallimard), there is a line about Gourlizog, in Les Archives de Magnamund (a supplement written by Scriptarium). Then it appears in the DE version of book 3 too as the new French version of the series is based on the current DE version of Holmgard Press. I can't find a corresponding line in my DE issue. It should be in the "The Icy Wastes of Kalte" part of the Archives, right? |
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Ixia
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Post by Ixia on Jul 25, 2022 20:55:13 GMT
In the Gallimard translation, the line about Gourlizog is actually hidden in the Ice Barbarians section of Les Archives de Magnamund. No idea if it is also the case in the DE.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 26, 2022 4:55:07 GMT
Sorry, I've just re-read what the people at Scriptarium have said about the Archives of Magnamund: the concept was created by Scriptarium for the 5th edition of the series in French and Holmgard Press decided to take the same concept for the DE. But apparently, the elements included in each book are not exactly the same between the two languages. So unless the info is indeed hidden in the Ice Barbarians section of the DE, it might be missing completely from the English version.
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Post by kolinovic on Jul 26, 2022 11:15:35 GMT
Nothing to add beyond the fact that it'd be worrying indeed if this place is more terrifying than being based on the doorstep of Ixia!
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Post by palarran on Jul 26, 2022 14:20:37 GMT
Sorry, I've just re-read what the people at Scriptarium have said about the Archives of Magnamund: the concept was created by Scriptarium for the 5th edition of the series in French and Holmgard Press decided to take the same concept for the DE. But apparently, the elements included in each book are not exactly the same between the two languages. So unless the info is indeed hidden in the Ice Barbarians section of the DE, it might be missing completely from the English version. I just double-checked, it's really not there. |
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 26, 2022 20:22:53 GMT
I just double-checked, it's really not there. Well, that sucks... unless they will add it in a subsequent book? |
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Ixia
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Post by Ixia on Jul 28, 2022 2:27:37 GMT
In Les Archives de Magnamund, it is explained that «the Darklords of Helgedad have renounced to enslave the indomitable Ice Barbarians» and that they also failed to make them allies, altough they have joined forces punctually against Sommerlund and Durenor.
That tells me that the Darklords either built a prison in Kalte for strategic reasons and didn’t care whether the Ice Barbarians were happy about it or not, since the Darklands are the most powerful force in Magnamund and the Ice Barbarians can’t control by themselves an entire continent, or that they struck a deal with them at one point in History, in a similar way to the US building the Guantanamo base in Cuba.
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Post by Honza on Jul 31, 2022 18:42:09 GMT
From the back of Central Kalte map card (set 10 of Magnamund map cards):
During the Age of Black Moon, Darklord Dakushna landed on Central Kalte and made first contact with the Ice Barbarians. He formed a fragile alliance with them, but the influence of Darklords never reached beyond the Gorak Pass.
After the departure of Dakushna, the forces of Darklords settled on the coasts of the Gourlizegiza and the Taneziga gulfs. They erected the mountain facility of Zizak Gedtak in the Gour Pass to deprive Ice Barbarians of access to the coasts where traditionally they had hunted the Baknar. It also kept secure the infamous prison-citadel of Gourlizog where political prisoners and spies are condemned to a lifetime of hard labour and cruel deprivations.
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