Lone Wolf vs. Chaosmaster

[BenKenobi]

The first book I bought of the Magnakai serie of Lone Wolf was n. 11 - The Prisoners of Time. It is probably the most difficult book of the entire Lone Wolf saga, because of the terrible sequence of combats, starting with the one against the Chaosmaster.

Supposing that you have the Sommerswerd, these are the stats of the Chaosmaster:

CHAOSMASTER

CS 47
EN 68

Immune to Mindblast (but not Psi-Surge)
BONUS: +2 CS if you have completed the Lore-Circle of Spirit

My question is: what is the highest CS and EN score you can have for this combat, including all possible bonuses from skills, items, .... ? Supposing that you have the Sommerswerd, of course.

Thanks for the help !

[Black Cat]

I think that I was close to the maximum of CS and EP the last time I met the Chaosmaster. Here's the way I managed to get a juicy CS of 45:

1.) 18 CS (as decided by the random number generator) for the basic combat skill

2.) 8 CS because of the use of the Sommerswerd

3.) 3 CS from the Weaponmastery discipline

4.) 1 CS bonus to the Weaponmastery because I had the rank of Scion-Kai

5.) 4 CS from the Psi-Surge discipline

6.) 5 CS because I had completed the Lorescircles of Fire(+1CS), Spirit (+3CS) and Solaris (+1CS)

7.) 2 CS from the Silver Helm, which can be found in book 3

8.) 2 CS of bonuses for this fight only because I had completed the Lorescircle of the Spirit

9.) 2 CS of bonuses for this fight only from a Potion of Alether that I bought from Tadia the Prophetess in book 8

So, all these CS points add together make an incredible total of 45 for a -2 combat ratio, which makes this fight a little more easy.

As for the EP, the only bonus that I can remember when going into this fight is the 8 points granted to you by completing the 3 Lorescircles that I named earlier. If you have a starting EP total of 29 (the highest the random number generator can grant you), and if you are not injured before fighting, then you start with a total of 37 EP, which is almost only the half of what the Choamaster has, but with a high CS, this fight is still possible to win.

[Ghost Bear]

You can also get a +2CS from the use of a Shield, and there're a couple of instances of +4 Concentrated Alether potions, one of which I always save for this fight.

-Ss

[ramthelinefeed]

Yeah, but as you can see, if your basic CS was only 10, you'd be screwed!

In such a scenario, you'd be very wise to leave the Sommerswerd behind and use the Ironheart Broadsword instead - same bonuses for LW, but you are fighting a WOUNDED Chaos Master with lower stats.

[BenKenobi]

This is good... so you can have a CS greater than Chaosmaster's one with a basic CS score of 19...

19 + 8 + 3 + 1 + 4 + 5 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 48 ;D
That is +1 against the Chaosmaster !!! Anyway, where do you find the Concentrated Alether Potions

[ramthelinefeed]

Well actually, it's not good at all,
because Kai Wisdom says sthg along the lines that "skill, courage and a wise choice of Kai Disciplines should enable any Kai Master to complete the quest, no matter how weak his inital COMBAT SKILL and ENDURANCE points are"

There's a +4CS concentrated Alether potion in Ikaya somewhere (same route that gets you the +2CS Silver Helmet)

All the other Alether I can think of is only +2CS (eg berries you can buy in Book 6)

[Ghost Bear]

Yes, that's the only one I can think of. I thought the one in the treasure chest in the mines in book 4 was a +4 too, but it's only +2.

Trouble with leaving the Sommerswerd behind if you have only 10 CS is that you'll probably need it to get through all the other tough fights in books 10 and 11 (remember that you can't make use of safe-keeping between these two books)

-Ss

[ramthelinefeed]

I know - let's face it, sometimes Kai Wisdom talks out of its @ss ;D

(I mean what were all those oh-so-very-wise Kai Lords doing on the Feast of Fehmarn, MS 5050....?)

[Black Cat]

David said:

There's a +4CS concentrated Alether potion in Ikaya somewhere (same route that gets you the +2CS Silver Helmet)

Hum...I presume that the concentrated Alether is a regular backpack item. So, how do you managed to past book 7 WITHOUT losing your backpack and that concentrated Alether that is inside it?

And yes, I lost my shield along the way (don't remember where though...) so I didn't had the combat ratio of 0. If you have a basic CS less than 14, then I recommand that you put the Sommerswerd in safekeeping for book 10. Otherwise, and if you can managed to get all the other CS points from the various items and disciplines, then you have a chance to win this fight.

[Laguna Blade]

"Hum...I presume that the concentrated Alether is a regular backpack item. So, how do you managed to past book 7 WITHOUT losing your backpack and that concentrated Alether that is inside it?"

;D Don't bring your valuable items then!

Hey, I'm not joking I tell ya!Just bring the laumspur,rope,all items usually given at the beginning of the quest;don't worry,you can still kick Zahda's ass...

[Holmes]

Black said:

Hum...I presume that the concentrated Alether is a regular backpack item. So, how do you managed to past book 7 WITHOUT losing your backpack and that concentrated Alether that is inside it?

From one of the old Lone Wolf Club Newsletters, there was a clarification that excess Gold Crowns, Backpack Items and Special Items can be left in "Safekeeping." I assume this means you could conceivably leave the potion in Safekeeping from Book 3 on to Book 10, and take it into the Daziarn with you.

Concerning the topic: The Chaos Master is over the top: the best CS ratio I recall ever having against him was -2, and that was losing 2 END / round for Psi Surge. I recall only ever beating the fellow two or three times total, and in one case, I had memorized the Random Number Table up front and deliberately dropped the pencil in sections where I knew numbers over 6 predominated (lower left quadrant, IIRC).

As such, I've usually played it as such: I skip Book 11, entirely and pick up at Book 12. This means that I don't pick up the extra Magnakai Discipline, which means I don't get into the Grand Master series with the 'loyalty benefits' of all 10 Disciplines and all four Lore Circles, but at least I get into the Grand Master series... ;D

I tend to play the series as such, I die, I start all the way over from Book 1. And Books 1 through 10 get old, real quick...LOL!

[Black Cat]

Holmes said:

From one of the old Lone Wolf Club Newsletters, there was a clarification that excess Gold Crowns, Backpack Items and Special Items can be left in "Safekeeping." I assume this means you could conceivably leave the potion in Safekeeping from Book 3 on to Book 10, and take it into the Daziarn with you.

Well, this is answering to my question very well, I'll try it next time I'll play the books, even if I usually never put things in safekeeping.

[thisisbill]

This is a great battle in the book though. It really gives you a true test. This book has several meaty battles in it. I always loved that illustration of the CM. I managed a +1 ratio once before as far as memory serves.

[ramthelinefeed]

It certainly is not immediately obvious that you can leave backpack items in Safe Keeping, just from reading the
rules in the books!

But it became obvious to me, when I started reading references in books to backback items that didn't occur in that book - for example "if you have any Oede herb"....

[Ghost Bear]

That's probably because I don't think it was intended that backpack items be allowed to be stored in safe keeping when the idea was first introduced. The rule was added in a newsletter, which suggests that it was probably added later, perhaps due to reader requests.

-GB