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Post by KaiInitiateCaric on Jul 22, 2004 14:56:47 GMT
Were there Kai Grand Masters at the monestary when if fell at the Feast of Fehmarn?? I was wondering if that was for sure or not. I assume there were but I dont think it was ever mentioned.
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Post by The Wytch-King on Jul 22, 2004 15:25:40 GMT
That depends on whether you mean Kai lords of the Magnakai rank Kai Grand Master or of the Grand Master ranks Kai Grand Master Senior and above ...
If the first, yes, certainly. At least the leader of the Kai would have been a Grand Master. If the second, no, as the Grand Master disciplines (and therefore the attached ranks) have been discovered/developed by Lone Wolf, years later.
Hope that helps,
The Wytch-King
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Post by Ghost Bear on Jul 23, 2004 13:00:03 GMT
I'm fairly sure that I read somewhere that the leader of the Kai at the time of the destruction of the Monastery was an Archmaster called Winter Owl.
Not sure of the source, so take that with a large pinch of salt.
-GB
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Post by outspaced on Jul 23, 2004 14:59:35 GMT
At least the leader of the Kai would have been a Grand Master. Hmm . . . I dunno. Judging from the fact that The Book of the Magnakai had been lost for hundreds of years by MS5050, there's nothing to say that the numero uno Kai Lord had to be a Grand Master. There's actually quite a good chance that few--if any--reached that level since they had no source to work from, neither the original writings, nor the Lorestones. All they had was hearsay for attainment of the actual 'spiritual' state of Grand Master. The Kai may have become, by MS5050, a shadow of their former glory. Perhaps it took the invasion of Sommerlund and the constant harrying and pressure upon Lone Wolf to discover ther resting places of the Book of the Magnakai and the Lorestones to energize the future generations of Kai Lords into fully developing their powers. Thus Naar and his agents had lost from their first strike, though they did not know it. *shrugs* Just a bit of food for thought.
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Post by deiseach on Jul 23, 2004 20:14:55 GMT
The Kai may have become, by MS5050, a shadow of their former glory. Perhaps it took the invasion of Sommerlund and the constant harrying and pressure upon Lone Wolf to discover ther resting places of the Book of the Magnakai and the Lorestones to energize the future generations of Kai Lords into fully developing their powers. I always took this as a given. The waffle at the start of The Kingdoms of Terror makes it clear that much study and dedication on LW's part revealed "the secrets of three Magnakai disciplines" (my italics). This suggests to me that he was going into uncharted territory as far as a bog standard Kai Lord was concerned Of course, the word 'secret' is much abused in the world of fantasy. Perhaps it just means he knows something now that he didn't know yesterday
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Post by KaiInitiateCaric on Jul 24, 2004 3:31:02 GMT
I just took that to mean that LW learned them because they were secret to him since no one else was alive to teach him and any "training manuals" (How to become a Grand Master in 10 days by Slick Simon) would have been destroyed in the attack.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 24, 2004 3:50:17 GMT
I'm fairly sure that I read somewhere that the leader of the Kai at the time of the destruction of the Monastery was an Archmaster called Winter Owl. Hum...That's strange...In my French version of book 25, you give the commandment of the monastery to a Grand Master named "Hibou de l'Hiver", which can be translated as "Winter Owl". Maybe it is not the exact translation (can someone check this?), but if it is and if it's not the Grand Master that you make reference to, then could it be that the new recruits of the Second Kai Order are named after their unlucky predecessors from the First Order?
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 24, 2004 9:30:06 GMT
Lone Wolf only needed the Book of Magnakai because his Kai tutors had all been killed.
At several points in the books, it mentions than Banedon, Rimoah and such folk tutored Lone Wolf in all sorts of stuff that he'd missed out on as a result having his Kai Masters killed when he was only a lowly initiate.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Jul 24, 2004 12:14:47 GMT
Hum...That's strange...In my French version of book 25, you give the commandment of the monastery to a Grand Master named "Hibou de l'Hiver", which can be translated as "Winter Owl". Hmm, perhaps I'm wrong then. Like I said, that was only a vague memory... -Ss
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