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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 9, 2004 9:20:54 GMT
I liked the Dagger of Vashna and the Helshezag, because i did not have the Sommerswerd the first time I played the book and the Helshezag gave me an extra bonus in combat... what a pity to lose it if you don't have the Sommerswerd... Don't worry,you'll have Wolf's Blade (aka Skarn-Ska) in book 20.....
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 10, 2004 4:19:14 GMT
Don't worry,you'll have Wolf's Blade (aka Skarn-Ska) in book 20..... Yeah, but until then, you have to fight Ixiataaga (book 17) which isn't a piece of cake.
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Post by Relenoir on Aug 10, 2004 17:25:57 GMT
***SPOILER ALERT!!!*** Bah, don't be sad for the lost of your Dagger. With its destruction, nobody would ever steal it from you so he can revives Vashna with it. The problem is, unlike Helshezag, it's not destroyed, it disappears, leaving it no longer in your protection and available for the first shlub who comes across it to try to resurrect Vashna all over again. NOT a good scenario, I fear. I still think Joe planned on bringing Vashna back between books 29 & 32 because of this situation.
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 10, 2004 18:52:01 GMT
***SPOILER ALERT!!!***The problem is, unlike Helshezag, it's not destroyed, it disappears, leaving it no longer in your protection and available for the first shlub who comes across it to try to resurrect Vashna all over again. Hmmm...Never thought about that...But I still find it improbable. When you hit the magical barrier with it, I assume that the Dagger completely disappears to the last of its atoms just like the magical barrier.
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Post by BenKenobi on Aug 10, 2004 21:06:50 GMT
The magic barrier destroys weapons with magical powers, it seems... In the successive books the Helshezag and the Dagger of Vashna there aren't in the list of Special Items at the beginning of the book, but in the n°17 - The Deathlord of Ixia - they are !!! I've the Italian edition of the book; it is an errata ?
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Post by Relenoir on Aug 11, 2004 2:34:48 GMT
The magic barrier destroys weapons with magical powers, it seems... In the successive books the Helshezag and the Dagger of Vashna there aren't in the list of Special Items at the beginning of the book, but in the n°17 - The Deathlord of Ixia - they are !!! I've the Italian edition of the book; it is an errata ? But it doesn't destroy the Crystal Mace, or any other weapon you can come across, strangely enough. Only the evil ones, but Helshezag is very plainly destroyed, while the Dagger of Vashna disappears with the barrier, possibly being transported with it to wherever the magical energy used to form the barrier came from. In my RPG, the Dagger has been found, but the PC's don't know that yet. I would definitely call that a mistake at the beginning of #17, my U.K. version doesn't list them at all.
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 11, 2004 9:12:57 GMT
Yeah, but until then, you have to fight Ixiataaga (book 17) which isn't a piece of cake. May I know his stats?He's surely a formidable foe.The fact is I've eventually beaten Kekataag in book 20.Unless he's stats is below Kekataag, I should play safe starting from the upcoming book 16.
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 11, 2004 9:18:13 GMT
It does give bonuses - in the Darklands. Yes,but what about other places such as Sommerlund,Vassagonia....etc. Is it because Vashna is already powerful that he didn't have to rely on his weapon?
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 11, 2004 10:13:45 GMT
.... Nooooo, the Sommerswerd is the BEST !!! Are you sure?Read what Lone Wolf felt in this section: Section 144,The Prisoners of Time: "It is with some reluctance that you return the Ironheart Broadsword to its rightful steward (delete this Special Item from your Action Chart), for never before have you wielded as fine a sword as this." It seems that Lone Wolf had given more credit on Ironheart Broadsword. NOTE:I don't know why the message split from each other.Sorry for any inconveniences....
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Post by North Star on Aug 11, 2004 10:15:02 GMT
Well if you read the new Lone Wolf RPG from Mongoose, it says that the Dagger of Vashna (plus any weapon wielded by a Darklord) deals grevious damage, as in you have a chance of instant death EVERY time you are hit by the weapon, no matter how slightly you are wounded... Nasty NS.
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Post by outspaced on Aug 11, 2004 14:39:31 GMT
Section 144,The Prisoners of Time: "It is with some reluctance that you return the Ironheart Broadsword to its rightful steward (delete this Special Item from your Action Chart), for never before have you wielded as fine a sword as this." It seems that Lone Wolf had given more credit on Ironheart Broadsword. Nah. More like, it seems to me, Dever assumed that if you have ever possessed the Sommerswerd, you're likely to have brought it with you to the Daziarn, and therefore wouldn't have ended up in that section. And if you have never owned the Sommerswerd, the Ironheart Broadsword would be the best weapon you have ever wielded.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Aug 11, 2004 15:56:22 GMT
Yes,but what about other places such as Sommerlund,Vassagonia....etc. Is it because Vashna is already powerful that he didn't have to rely on his weapon? Vashna was more partial to using his axe in melee. The dagger can affect creatures like helghasts, but that's really all there is to it outside of the Darklands. Perhaps in Vashna's hands it would have other powers, but that's speculation based on the RPG.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 11, 2004 19:38:19 GMT
I agree with outspaced here. I don't think Joe Dever factored in the possibility that you might have posessed the Sommerswerd then lost it, or left it in safe-keeping. Otherwise the text would get clunky very quickly.
"If you have ever posessed the Sommerswerd, but don't have it now, you really don't mind giving the Ironheart Broadsword back, because actually... It aint all that good. If you have never posessed the Sommerswerd, you really regret having to return such a fine sword as this."
As for the Dagger of Vashna, I'd imagine that Vashna's axe would be considerably more powerful, because I don't believe for a second that Vashna would let Kraagenskul have a better weapon than him.
"No! I am the mightiest of the Darklords. Your weapon shall not be greater than mine!"
-GB
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 11, 2004 21:21:23 GMT
May I know his stats?He's surely a formidable foe.The fact is I've eventually beaten Kekataag in book 20.Unless he's stats is below Kekataag, I should play safe starting from the upcoming book 16. SPOILER Ixiataaga: CS: 60 EP: 39 BUT you have to fight Tagazin twice before you get to him: Tagazin 1st fight: CS: 54 EP: 60 Tagazin 2nd fight: CS: 55 EP: 48Fighting Kekataag is not the same thing since your are not weaken by precedent fights (well, you can regain EP with Shamath's Potion before that final fight in book 20).
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 11, 2004 22:02:11 GMT
I've still got my Adgana from Book 12. Guess LW is becoming a drug adict in Book 17.
-GB
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