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Post by Sarra on Apr 26, 2004 17:16:55 GMT
Does anybody other then me see EXTREME simularities between Lone Wolf and Lord of the Rings? Seriously, it's crazy. Like in one of the New Order books you travel to Bor and the demon in the mines sounds EXACTLY like the Bal-rog in Lord of the Rings. And I always pictured the Helghast looking like Ringwraiths except without armor and a little less human-looking. What do you guys think?
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Nerethel
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Post by Nerethel on Apr 26, 2004 17:43:45 GMT
There are most definately similarities, to be sure! Mordor = The Darklands, Darklords are similar to the ringwraiths, (there are 9 of them, right? Limited number, anyway) giaks are orcs (spawned, not bred), and the evil eye (that I can't remember the name of) is equivelent of Naar. I'm sure you can come up with more.
However, that's about where the similarities end. There are no elves, hobbits or trolls on Magnamund, for example. The land layout is obviously different, as are the cultures and the feel of the landscape. Magnamund has a feel all its own, with only the surface storyline and theme bearing similarity to Middle Earth.
I doubt a movie about Lone Wolf will ever come into fruition (I know it's a little dream) because of the similarities.
Nerethel
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Post by Sarra on Apr 26, 2004 18:34:55 GMT
Actually there were 20 Darklords. Vashna, Lord of Helgedad, Archlord of the Darklands Zagarna, Lord of Kaag, Archlord of the Darklands Haakon, Lord of Aarnak, Archlord of the Darklands Dakushna, Lord of Kagorst Kraagenskul, Lord of Helgedad and Argazad Chlanzor, Lord of Gazad Helkona Menashga, Lord of Nadgazad Tomogh, Lord of Gournen Unc, Lord of Aarnak $lutar, Lord of Kaag - won't let me say S-L-U-T Gnaag, Lord of Mozgoar, Archlord of the Darklands Shebnar, Lord of Helgedad Taktaal, Lord of Helgedad Zhanshal, Lord of Aarnak Ghanesh, Lord of Helgedad Mrugor, Lord of Helgedad Xog, Lord of Helgedad Ghurch, Lord of Ghargon Khatellu, Lord of Helgedad Nhorg, Lord of Gourizaga ^ Yes I am a Lone Wolf freak.
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 26, 2004 20:23:51 GMT
Never fear Nerethel, I'll say it for you. I remember your aversion to repeating the names of those exceptionally evil beings. It's called the Eye of Sauron.
You're both right. Twenty Darklords, Nine Ringwraiths (Nine for mortal men doomed to die,) Nice list Ronan, you've definitely done your research! I know where to find that information, but I sure couldn't list more than ten off the top of my head. Also, you have to keep in mind that any fantasy setting is going to have at least a few similarities to Middle-earth. Tolkien's books came out in the forties-fifties, and really became the cornerstone for the fantasy genre.
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Post by Sarra on Apr 27, 2004 0:59:02 GMT
I was able to list 16 of the Darklords of the top of my head but I had to look up the rest and what cities they ruled.
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 6, 2004 11:15:02 GMT
There are most definately similarities, to be sure! Mordor = The Darklands, Darklords are similar to the ringwraiths, (there are 9 of them, right? Limited number, anyway) giaks are orcs (spawned, not bred), and the evil eye (that I can't remember the name of) is equivelent of Naar. I'm sure you can come up with more. The Evil Eye,isn't it Darklord Sauron?I thought Sauron has the same position equivalent to the Darklords of Helgedad.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Aug 6, 2004 13:26:16 GMT
I've only seen the movies, so take this with a grain of salt, but Sauron seems more like Agarash the "Danged" than the Darklords. The portal of fire, sending minions to do his work rather than taking a direct hand, etc.
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Post by outspaced on Aug 6, 2004 14:13:23 GMT
Sauron is sort of Middle-Earth's answer to the Devil, only in physical form. He serves no master but himself. So the closest similarity is actually with Naar himself, the Ringwraiths standing for the Darklords. Dever has taken ideas from a number of different sources, not just Tolkien, and has mixed them around a bit to make something that is his own.
Magnamund is not a Generic Fantasy World (TM), but instead has its own character (and characters!). So while comparisons can be drawn between his work and Tolkien's, there are no more comparisons than can be drawn with virtually any post-Tolkien fantasists. The Dragonlance Chronicles, for example, while fun to read, knock off The Lord of the Rings so completely that I'd be surprised if plagiarism (damn, that word is tough to spell!) hasn't been mentioned in the same breath before now. And Magnamund is far and away a more interesting setting than Krynn. ;D
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 6, 2004 16:54:01 GMT
Let's face it: Magnamund is a mix of 3 principal things. There's the real world (Norse mytho, Middle Ages), the Lord of the Rings (with all that was said so far in this thread) and Star Wars (Kai Lords=Jedis, Banedon and Skyrider=Hans Solo and Millennium Falcon, etc). There's surely other things, but I guess they are less known by me.
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Post by BenKenobi on Aug 7, 2004 16:41:18 GMT
The Lord of the Rings is a main piece of inspiration for all the tales of the Fantasy literature, so it isn't strange to find many similarities between any Fantasy work, and Tolkien's world. The Masters of Darkness and The Fall of Blood Mountain are the 2 adventures that are strongly inspired, as I noticed in another topic of the forum. But many themes return... The SommerswerdThe "sword of power" is a classic ! Narsil was the sword of Isildur, king of Gondor: it is the only weapon that did damage to Sauron, but it is now broken and must be re-forged in order to defeat Evil. Aragorn, heir of Isiludr, is the one who can wield it. The Sommerswerd is more important in Lone Wolf than Narsil in his context; it is the weapon who defeated Vashna (Sauron) and now the Evil is returned, the weapon must be recovered (reforged) and only a true son of Sommerlund (heir of Isildur) can wield it. The dead army Vashna has an army of undead that cannot rest until their task is completed; the dead army also appear, but it is evil, while Aragorn uses it for good purpose in The Return of the King The seven Palantir The Palantir are stones of knowledge; they were used to communicate from different regions of the Gondor realm. In Lone Wolf we have the seven Lorestones, stones of knowledge that the hero must rescue to complete his spiritual growth. The theme of the rescue of seven "stones" is classic, too ! See also "Dragonball" ... Great battles A huge, epic battle where armies crush one into another ! That's the battle of Cetza, as we have battles at Helm or Minas Tirith. Revelation of hero's fate The fate of a hero is to confront and defeat evil... there are moments when the hero is took in "another dimension"(Daziarn / Lothlorien) where time flows in a different way and a prophet (female) as Serocca / Galadriel reveal him his fate... to be the most important pawn in the game between Good and Evil. The wasted homeland What if you return home and you discover that everything is messed up ? This is what Lone Wolf sees when the Kai Monastery is attacked by dragons and Frodo sees when returns to the Shire. I bet there are other things I missed... that's not all !
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Post by KaiLord on Aug 8, 2004 0:36:06 GMT
I'm the oddball in the world I guess. Am I the only one that thinks LotR is overrated?
Most often the first person to present something new to society (notice I didn't say "something good") is the one upon whom all praise is laid. Since his time, many people have proven themselves to be accomplished writers, with many works to their credit.
Personally, my main inspirations in writing are the Avatar trilogy (gods who have gods themselves) and the Darksword trilogy (different aspects of magic).
I just started reading LotR for the first time last year. I was about as unimpressed as I was with the Legends series....
KL, oddball at large
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Post by Archdruid on Aug 8, 2004 10:13:10 GMT
I'm the oddball in the world I guess. Am I the only one that thinks LotR is overrated? I agree with you.
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 8, 2004 23:20:05 GMT
I just started reading LotR for the first time last year. I was about as unimpressed as I was with the Legends series.... Me too I read the LotR last year for the first time and I wasn't very impressed (I even found that some parts of the story were a little boring...), but I still liked the whole trilogy. Maybe it's just that I was less impressed after reading so much of Lone Wolf that I've found completely innovative when I read it for the first time? Anyway, what really impressed me is that it was written in the 1930s. Think that there was no other known author that worked on a fictitious medieval world before Tolkien (if there was, then they weren't that popular). For someone reading the LotR back in the 1930s, it was surely a very innovative story.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Aug 9, 2004 0:00:51 GMT
A lot of themes in LotR are taken from Nordic mythology, and the myths and legends of other cultures. Since Tolkien was a professor of languages, he probably encounted this sort of thing in his work, and adapted it for LotR.
-GB
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Aug 9, 2004 12:54:11 GMT
Think that there was no other known author that worked on a fictitious medieval world before Tolkien (if there was, then they weren't that popular). Robert Howard wrote the Conan stories (among others) in the 1930s. He's often credited with birthing the Sword & Sorcery genre. Whether that's similar to Tolkienesque fantasy is left to individual interpretation. www.crossplains.com/howard/
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