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Post by Vonotar on Aug 10, 2013 20:09:17 GMT
I think the real question here is: why can't you take the Magic Spear into the GM series?
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Post by johntfs on Aug 10, 2013 21:49:22 GMT
Because, like a lot of other Special Items, it's book specific and pretty well useless outside its book. In this case the Magic Spear is there to give a chance to live if you didn't happen to have Animal Kinship as of Book 2.
Ultimately, you have 12 slots for Special Items (more or less, since some of them don't count toward space, like the Korlinium Scabbard). Dever didn't want players to completely fill those slot with stuff from their previous adventures.
Of course that's the out of game explanation. It's pretty much the same thing as answering "Well, in this book/movie/game why didn't they do [insert common sense or nonsensical suggestion here]?" with "Because if they did that, there wouldn't be a book/movie/game, that's why."
So, there should also be an in-game reason why not. And there is, if you think about it for a little bit. Where is all that cool, useful gear that you don't take with you in the GM series? It's with other Kai Lords and Masters. You hear that there's a Helghast in Holmgard and you're busy doing other stuff. so you send Kai Master Burning Fart after it. Are you seriously going to send him after a Helghast without a magic weapon just so you can keep your Magic Spear which you don't even need, Lone Tightwad? Ditto the Psychic Ring, Firesphere, Grey Crystal Ring, Bronin Mail and, for a time, Silver Bracers. Depending on my Combat Score, I might put the Silver Helmet, Kagonite Chainmail or even the Sommerswerd itself into the general armory. I know that's where my Jewelled Mace ends up for the GM books.
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Post by Aarontu on Aug 19, 2013 20:49:37 GMT
I think you ought to be able to sell it for thousands of crowns like it says in the text when you find it. And then have a belt pouch that could hold them all and you could buy like property and horses and such along your journey. Nah, not really. This actually sounds like it could make a nice diversion to mess with in between books. Rebuild and pimp out the monastery, or possibly equip young Kai initiates with magical weapons to gain some respect for the Kai (maybe enough for a bonus at the trial in book 9), or donate items of great worth where they would be helpful to obtain the blessings of Kai and Ishir (an extra healing surge or temporary CS bonus?). Would be something to do with jeweled maces, a big diamond, extra Oede herb, the magic spear, psychic ring, and other artifacts.
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Post by johntfs on Aug 20, 2013 0:14:47 GMT
Oddly enough, despite being worth "thousands of crowns" the Jeweled Mace is effectively only worth 30 (120 Lune). It's one of three items you can trade for the Grey Crystal Ring in Book 8, which can also be purchased for 120 Lune or 30 Gold Crowns.
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Post by duk3 on Aug 20, 2013 14:35:38 GMT
johntfs... lol Yes far too much brown nosing going on there!
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Post by johntfs on Aug 21, 2013 1:41:17 GMT
You know, it makes me question just how much decorative gems and the like are actually worth. I'm wondering if you can go into your local Sommerlund Hobby Lobby and just pick up diamonds and emeralds on the cheap next to last year's Christmas decorations.
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Post by oede2joy on Jun 10, 2014 5:37:49 GMT
Oddly enough, despite being worth "thousands of crowns" the Jeweled Mace is effectively only worth 30 (120 Lune). It's one of three items you can trade for the Grey Crystal Ring in Book 8, which can also be purchased for 120 Lune or 30 Gold Crowns. Shopkeeper: This Grey Crystal Ring costs 120 Lune or 30 Gold Crowns. Lone Wolf: Well, I don't have enough money in either currency, but maybe I could trade this lovely Jeweled Mace, which is worth thousands of crowns. Do you have change? Shopkeeper: No. Lone Wolf: Damn. Also, I agree with Vonotar. The Magic Spear seems much more like a grandmaster-worthy weapon than the Jeweled Mace. It even has the word "Magic" in its name. Or at least one should have the option of using it to kill future Helghasts, I don't know if they ever even ask about it in future situations.
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Post by johntfs on Jun 13, 2014 14:38:45 GMT
Also, I agree with Vonotar. The Magic Spear seems much more like a grandmaster-worthy weapon than the Jeweled Mace. It even has the word "Magic" in its name. Or at least one should have the option of using it to kill future Helghasts, I don't know if they ever even ask about it in future situations. It's only ever asked about or mentioned in Book 2. Finishing Book 2 gets you the Sommerswerd, which is way better against undead and comes with a nifty +8 CS bonus. The books are written to assume that Lone Wolf is not suicidally contrary. If he's got the Magic Spear, he's also got the Sommerswerd. In a situation where a magic weapon is needed, he'll use the Sommerswerd. For my part, I assume that Lone Wolf gives the Magic Spear to the King of Durenor. After all, it was originally the property of one his Knights, who died trying to kill the Helghast you foolishly pull it out of.
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Post by whisperedlion on Jun 13, 2014 16:41:46 GMT
@_@ what happens in the monestary...stays in the monestary.. I invoke... Threadnomancy! I tend to go through the sewers in Book 5 without getting the Limbdeath just so I can get caught, escape and take all six of the Jewelled Maces in the one chest. Then I assume that LW sells them all to totally pimp out the Kaio Monastery with magic hot tubs, silk sheets and the like for all the juicy boy hottie-, er, earnest Kai initiates. Seriously, though, check this out: www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/19wb/ill13.htmDon't those guys all look just a little bit too happy to see their Grand Master...
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Post by UrQuan on Jun 13, 2014 22:17:53 GMT
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 10, 2014 12:51:23 GMT
To be boringly serious, though - pointless items that turn out to be useless wastes of space are all part of Dever's gameplay...
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Post by johntfs on Jul 10, 2014 23:28:42 GMT
To be boringly serious, though - pointless items that turn out to be useless wastes of space are all part of Dever's gameplay... As they should be. I like the surplus of items. I like that part of the game is thinking about where you are and what you might need now and in the future. Also, I like the realism of it, the idea that the world and the stuff in it does not completely center around you, the player-character, and your needs. If you kill a guard and loot his corpse, you're going to find stuff that was useful/desirable to him. You might find a use for some of that stuff yourself, but there's no guarantee and I like that.
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