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Post by Sarra on Jul 27, 2004 3:35:48 GMT
I think that engaging in combat with Naar himself is a little over the top. Plus it is way, way too predictable an ending for a story such as Lone Wolf.
Nope, won't do. Interesting idea though.
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 28, 2004 2:51:46 GMT
How about something like this: The Kai are forced to defend a sieged Kai Monastery from the forces of Naar, captained by Naar's avatar. This is the final, decisive battle for Magnamund, and the winner rules Aon. You and LW, after many battles to get to Naar's camp, must fight past the lieutenants, commanders, etc., until you reach the avatar's tent. During the fight, you must defeat the avatar, and as you destroy it, Naar himself appears. He casts a powerful spell to destroy you, but LW jumps in front of it, taking the brunt of the spell and saving your life, but forfeiting his own. With a cry of despair and rage you take up the Sommerswerd and bury it deeply in Naar's bulbous body, but he is merely injured and prepares to retalliate. If you can last, say, 3 rounds with him, a glowing man and woman appear, telling him something like, "You were not allowed to interfere directly, and now forfeit your rights to this world, as well as the contest. You are banished from this universe." Naar and all his forces disappear, leaving Magnamund a planet of peace. You become the Supreme Master of the Kai, and Lone Wolf is forever sung of as the man who sacrificed his life and in doing so saved all of Magnamund. How about that?
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Post by Eternalknight on Jul 28, 2004 7:29:25 GMT
Now that would be fitting!
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Post by darktalon on Jul 28, 2004 12:12:32 GMT
I'd definitely agree with a final battle at the Kai Monastery itself. It would lend a nice symmetry to the saga.
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Nerethel
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Post by Nerethel on Jul 28, 2004 12:32:43 GMT
Relenoir, you rock.
That's a wonderful idea on how to end it. I wouldn't go so far as to have Naar himself try to fight you, but his avatar is a great idea. As soon as Naar shows himself, rolling up his sleeves and putting on his brass nuckles, Ishir and Kai would appear, before any fight has begun. It would fit thematically, just as the destruction of Darklord Zagarna in book #2, no fight scene, just a good ending.
Then we'd also get to see Dever's description of Naar in his own words. I still think he's a dark, brooding object with squinty eyes, though... (not a foot)
Nerethel
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Post by outspaced on Jul 28, 2004 12:45:54 GMT
Then we'd also get to see Dever's description of Naar in his own words. I still think he's a dark, brooding object with squinty eyes, though... (not a foot) You've obviously never read The Curse of Naar then!
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Post by darktalon on Jul 28, 2004 12:53:04 GMT
You've obviously never read The Curse of Naar then! You've made me want to re-read Curse of Naar now. And I'm only on book 9 in my great Lone Wolf re-read. Gah.
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Post by Hal on Jul 28, 2004 17:58:49 GMT
I don't like the idea of a final battle where the fate of Magnamund would be at stake : Goods would obviously win (they always win) and I far more prefer and open-ended story - Darn, where would be the fun in a world where the good guys rule ?
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 28, 2004 20:16:40 GMT
I don't like the idea of a final battle where the fate of Magnamund would be at stake : Goods would obviously win (they always win) and I far more prefer and open-ended story - Darn, where would be the fun in a world where the good guys rule ? I think just like you Hal. I don't like the idea of ending forever the series like that. With no Evil, what would be the use of a Kai Lord trained to protect is country against Evil? Section 1 of a possible book 33: With peace reigning all over Magnamund, there's not much to do, so you decide to kill some of your time by getting some fishes at the river near the monastery. If you want to use a sinking lure, go to section 321. If you want to use a regular bait, go to section 89. If you don't want to fish, go to section 350. Sounds boring... even if I like fishing.
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Post by Relenoir on Jul 29, 2004 2:52:03 GMT
I think just like you Hal. I don't like the idea of ending forever the series like that. With no Evil, what would be the use of a Kai Lord trained to protect is country against Evil? Section 1 of a possible book 33: With peace reigning all over Magnamund, there's not much to do, so you decide to kill some of your time by getting some fishes at the river near the monastery. If you want to use a sinking lure, go to section 321. If you want to use a regular bait, go to section 89. If you don't want to fish, go to section 350. Sounds boring... even if I like fishing. That was funny! ;D Got a good laugh out of that one, thanks Black Cat! I have to agree with what you and Hal said, but since Joe DID end the series, and we're talking about a hypothetical end to the series with a fully-trained Kai Grand Master, I think it would be a great way to have closed the series for the last book if that was what Joe wanted to do. Just my thoughts. Edit: Oh, and @ Nerethel: Thanks! ;D So do Elves!
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 29, 2004 22:37:49 GMT
Well, I'm not against the idea of ending definitively the Lone Wolf series with book 32, but I don't like the idea of ending it with only peace reigning. It should leave the door open for other stories about Good vs Evil in Magnamund, like the planned but never written series about Banedon, or maybe a Grey Star II series, with storylines that are taking place after LW #32. It would be fun to meet Lone Wolf or Banedon in an inn as an apprentice of Grey Star, to drink a Bor Brew with them, have a chat about their achievements, or to meet other characters that appeared in the original LW books as they do a special appearance in that new series. ;D
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Post by taylor on Jul 30, 2004 8:23:12 GMT
I really like the idea of Naar taking on LW and mortally wounding him and Kai and Ishir showing up to banish naar to hell for breaking the rules. I think LW should be the one struggling to fight naar instead of the grandmaster though. Instead of peace, maybe naar could only influence people indirectly. There seems to be enough misery in the real world without the (apparent ) direct influence of an evil diety to keep the kai busy.
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Post by Black Cat on Aug 10, 2004 20:18:53 GMT
I just want to add the idea that Relenoir had about the Dagger of Vashna in another thread about the weapons that give bonuses ***SPOILER ALERT!!!***The problem is, unlike Helshezag, it's not destroyed, it disappears, leaving it no longer in your protection and available for the first shlub who comes across it to try to resurrect Vashna all over again. NOT a good scenario, I fear. I still think Joe planned on bringing Vashna back between books 29 & 32 because of this situation. An interesting thought, although that I find it very improbable.
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Post by Relenoir on Aug 11, 2004 2:23:11 GMT
I just want to add the idea that Relenoir had about the Dagger of Vashna in another thread about the weapons that give bonuses Thanks! Meant to do that myself earlier. I must be getting old, turning 32 end of this month. . .
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Post by Laguna Blade on Aug 11, 2004 10:53:26 GMT
I think just like you Hal. I don't like the idea of ending forever the series like that. With no Evil, what would be the use of a Kai Lord trained to protect is country against Evil? Section 1 of a possible book 33: With peace reigning all over Magnamund, there's not much to do, so you decide to kill some of your time by getting some fishes at the river near the monastery. If you want to use a sinking lure, go to section 321. If you want to use a regular bait, go to section 89. If you don't want to fish, go to section 350. Sounds boring... even if I like fishing. I agree with you.For some reason, Naar is a God,immortal.Killing Naar will banish everything that evil,and that would disrupt the balance(this concept always apply).In the end, the creator of the story,Joe himself has to revive evil,either reviving Naar himself or another Evil God. What seems more logical is continuing the struggle to other planets as new battlefield.From Magnamund Tome if I'm not mistaken, half of planets are under forces of good and another half is under forces of evil.Only Magnamund stood unclaimed. So why not explore other planets?Dispatched Kai Lords,or create other organisation under the direction of Kai and Ishir or other gods (where are they?) - groups of magicians, armies, whatever. As for Magnamund, the Kai lords are trained for safety reasons - we don't know when evil will rise again.
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