Book 16 and Safe Keeping

[Ghost Bear]

Here's an interesting question.

After Book 16, the equipment lists don't allow for Helshezag or the Dagger of Vashna to be carried, for reasons that I'm not going to go into due to the risk of spoilers for those who don't know.

But.

What if you leave one, or both items in Safe Keeping during Book 16?

-GB

[columbob]

Ghost said:

Here's an interesting question.

After Book 16, the equipment lists don't allow for Helshezag or the Dagger of Vashna to be carried, for reasons that I'm not going to go into due to the risk of spoilers for those who don't know.

But.

What if you leave one, or both items in Safe Keeping during Book 16?

-GB

Then it screws up the story, doesn't it?

I figure that since these two items are too important to let them fall into the wrong hands (a canny thief invading the monastery), I always carry them on me.

[columbob]

I just finished reading the book yesterday, and I think there are a ridiculous amount of places where you can die instantly!

I guess it doesn't really matter if you don't bring those two weapons, because they're not really crucial to the story anyways, and if you leave them in safekeeping, they'll stay there forever anyways.

[Sol]

The only reason I would care is that Helshezag carries a nice +5. The Dagger of Vashna I woudn't miss.

I have not read 16, but I would say if it is in SafeKeeping, no one will get past all those Kai to nab it. With all that goodly enery at the Monostary, I would say it is well masked.

Unless the book somehow states that it is destroyed no matter where it is or some such, go ahead and keep it!

"Sommerswerd's bad little brother, Helshezag."

[Ghost Bear]

I'm going to choose to believe that the presence of the Deathstaff on Magnamund destroys both items if they're left in Safe Keeping, seeing as it's such a powerful artifact of Evil.

Yep, that'll do for me.

-GB

[KaiLord]

Then you won't like a campaign I'm planning on running online in a few months.

The way I see it, if they're in safekeeping, they are safe. Period. Part of the plot of this mega-campaign deals with the theft of the items in question from the monastery, from a special shrine called "The Hall of the Wolf."

KL, who will advertise a call to players sometime in March

[BenKenobi]

Interesting point. If you leave the items in Safekeeping they are safe. But the author doesn't want them in later adventures... so the only explanation is that you are forced to leave them in safekeeping.
There's a little paradox:

1) You didn't play book 16. You want to play book 17-18-19-20 and you have Helshezag and/or Dagger of Vashna from previous adventures. To be consistent with the "past adventures" of Lone Wolf you didn't play, Lone Wolf has lost those 2 items and so you don't have them anymore... as Lone Wolf played the book 16 without you.

2) You played book 16 leaving the 2 items in Safekeeping. You can choose to bring them with you in book 17-18-19-20.

So if you leave them in Safekeeping WITHOUT playing book 16 you don't have them. If you leave them in Safekeeping AND play book 16, you have them.



So you're forced to leave them at the Monastery. Their destiny is shrouded in mistery.

[Ghost Bear]

KaiLord said:

Then you won't like a campaign I'm planning on running online in a few months.

Oh I wouldn't go that far. I can accept that some people think they won't be destroyed, and that's absolutely fine. Doesn't bother me either way, seeing as I never actually use either after Book 12.

-GB

[Relenoir]

Ghost said:

Oh I wouldn't go that far. I can accept that some people think they won't be destroyed, and that's absolutely fine. Doesn't bother me either way, seeing as I never actually use either after Book 12.

-GB

Well, as far as I'm concerned (Spoilers):Helshezay is definitely destroyed. It exploded into sparks and left you holding a useless hilt. The Dagger of Vashna, on the other hand, may still exist. It disappeared, it isn't described as having been destroyed. This could mean it went wherever the energy from the force field went when LW stabs the field and it dissipates. I wondered if Joe ever planned to make it come back to haunt LW, like the Deathstaff did one book later. I think we may have had this conversation before somewhere. . .

[Gazguz]

I have not read 16, but I would say if it is in SafeKeeping, no one will get past all those Kai to nab it. With all that goodly enery at the Monostary, I would say it is well masked.

But then if the book of the magnakai can be stolen by a couple of vassagonians in a monestary full of Kai then why not after book 16 when there are a few Kai but certainly not the number of grandmasters there must have been when the book was stolen. (The kai didn't see the attack in Book 1 coming either...)

[Ghost Bear]

There weren't neccesarily any Grand Masters when the Book of the Magnakai was stolen. The last Kai before the Massacre to hold the title of Grand Master (leader) of the Kai was actually only an Archmaster. I think this comes from the Legends, and I'm not 100% certain on it though.

-GB

[North Star]

Well during the Fehmarn gathering in the Legends series, there is a dialogue snippet:
"Ooh she's in silver. She must be an Archmaster."
The use of "an" Archmaster would certainly imply not only more than one Archmaster, but also that they're not the highest rank.

NS.

[Ghost Bear]

North said:

"Ooh she's in silver. She must be an Archmaster."
The use of "an" Archmaster would certainly imply not only more than one Archmaster, but also that they're not the highest rank.

Not really, all that implies is that there's a rank structure that includes Archmaster, and that there is provision for there to be more than one.

-GB

[outspaced]

It also implies that Grant/Barnett has a thing for "strong" females.

[Ghost Bear]

outspaced said:

It also implies that Grant/Barnett has a thing for "strong" females.

Who'da thought that eh?