Look Ma: No Disciplines!

[Darkash]

As I see it, the Battle of Cetza isn't even an option, because there are two checks against arrows, with a 30% and 20% chance of death. If you bring the Sommerswerd, the Hellswamp becomes the best optio, but even then the odds are pretty bad. Your best cvhance would probally be to go through the Isle of Ghosts. However, if you do that, (without the Sommerswerd, of cource, that would trigger an ugly fight with Tagazin), you would still need to go through the 31CS/35END fight at the end, which would put you at a -7 disadvantage. If you manage to avoid it, you need to have either a skelenton key or a dagger. if you have a dagger, you can't bring both the Bronin Warhammer and ta bow. You could use the Dagger of Vashna, but since the dagger you use breaks off in the lock, that might be a bit odd. All in all, I think that iit is a toss-up betwwen the Sommerswerd/Hellswamp path and the Isle/no Sommerswerd path. The Isle path will get you to the end with slightly more Endurence, but qwith wourse of a Combat Ration against the last fight, plus the need to have either the Dagger of Vashna (and lose it) or the skeleton key. The Hellswamp path is toughe END wise, but will get you to then end with a o CS ration against the last enemy. I would personally consiter the Isle path to be the better choice.

[Sol]

Darkash said:

You could use the Dagger of Vashna, but since the dagger you use breaks off in the lock, that might be a bit odd.

I've done this. Amazed, I erased it from my action chart. Then again, maybe Lone Wolf feels he has to keep it anyway - it would not be good if someone forged a mini-dagger from the remaining pieces and sacrificed a Hobbit at Maakengorge or something appropriately small.

Isn't the Bronin Hammer a special item? If it is, you could bring it plus a bow. On the other hand, so what if you lose the Dagger of Vashna? After the Kimah fight, who needs it? If it saves your life (again) may as well let it break in the lock.

Good luck! You can do it! Don't give up on Book 10! We are all looking forward to hearing about Book 11, so don't give up!

[Zipp]

Wait a minute. Isn't the dagger referenced again in Legacy of Vashna? I'm fairly certain it is.

[Black Cat]

Yes it is, and (SPOILER) that is where it gets destroyed along with Helshezag.

[Zipp]

oh right. Basis of whole conversation. Of course. gotcha gotcha

[Nathan P. Mahney]

Well I've completed The Dungeons of Torgar sans Sommerswerd, with much difficulty. The three paths are all quite hard. Travelling with Sebb Jarell was not an option, due to a high concentration of tough fights. I had a similar problem with the Isle of Ghosts route, which I found far too difficult to contemplate. Surprisingly, the Battle of Cetza was my victorious route. I found a path that dodges the difficult fights. I took a dagger instead of my bow, and voila, I was in the Daziarn!

Alas, this is where my journey ends. Book 11 is fraught with high CS combats, virtually unbeatable without the help of the Sommerswerd and Magnakai Disciplines. I was stretched to my utmost just getting to the Chaos Master. Defeating him was next to impossible. I did get him down to 3 EP on one attempt, so I suppose it can be done, but the battles afterwards would then be too difficult.

So the quest ends here, and the Darklords conquer Magnamund, while Lone Wolf, not-quite Kai Lord, perishes at the hands of the Chaos Master. Not a bad effort from a pretty normal guy!

[Sol]

Nathan,

You are AWESOME! I have to agree with you about Book 11 just being TOO TOUGH. I suppose the best you can do would be to have the Ironheart Broadsword.

This would give you a 27 CS I think at the very best, right? And he would have a 40 then. Alas, only the purest luck could see you through. I think it is possible to fight at -6 Combat Ratio, but that is usually the very limit of winnable fights IMHO. The fact that Book 11 has -more than one- of these fights is what makes it so hard!

The Kai will always remember the exploits of Nathan "Lone Wolf" Mahney!

[Sol]

Seriously, Joe could have at least given you the chance to choose a Shield when selecting your equipment at the start of Book 11... or a +10 Alether potion would have been nice, too.

[Zipp]

Just for kicks, are oyu going to carry on and try to do the other adventures past the Chaos Master?

[Nathan P. Mahney]

Nah, the whole purpose of the exercise was to see how far it was possible to get. Plus, I've never been able to complete Book 12 as a standalone, even with Disciplines! Alas, it seems I'll have to tarnish my now-legendary status with a show of cowardice.

I'm back to trying to complete the series properly, no cheats. My first Lone Wolf has a CS of 14, so the prospects are slim...

[Sol]

Maybe I'll join you soon in "Start to Finish"

Sol