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Alyss
Feb 17, 2005 13:40:17 GMT
Post by North Star on Feb 17, 2005 13:40:17 GMT
I quite liked the stuff in the Plane of Light where the dogs and the worm Garna eventually became the Darklords. I thought THAT was nifty storytelling. And I liked Eclipse of the Kai particularly.
NS.
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Alyss
Feb 17, 2005 17:45:22 GMT
Post by Zipp on Feb 17, 2005 17:45:22 GMT
Eclipse was great. It's too bad the rest of the series didn't proceed in the same vein.
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Alyss
Feb 18, 2005 4:07:45 GMT
Post by Gazguz on Feb 18, 2005 4:07:45 GMT
Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread... just the first few posts.
In answer to the question who or what is Alyss in the novels she doesn't know herself and travels back in time to before Aon was created to find out. Just before she goes she finds a dust worm just outside Port Bax (she is going to get help for Lone Wolf by getting another ex kai to go to the monestary to help rebuild then she goes back in time) When she arrives lots of things happen and eventually she is present when Kai, Ishir and Naar agree to create Aon. Ishir and Kai negotiate to "have Alyss" while Naar gets the dustworm... whose name is up until then known as garna, but when asked he gives his full name... Zagarna.
So Alyss is basically not a creation of the gods, she was present before the gods created Aon, and she is loosely allied to Ishir and Kai but not controled by anyone.
I remember reading that the Sommerlending thought they came from islands "away to the East" but were actually from another planet or dimension... much like the Ice demons of Kalte which were captured in stones by the ancients and used for lighting and other purposes (M'lare bowls) also came from another dimension.
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Alyss
Feb 18, 2005 7:52:42 GMT
Post by Zipp on Feb 18, 2005 7:52:42 GMT
Thanks for that. I always wondered how she came to be in Aon.
In Albion, Grant further explains her as being a piece of nothingness that survived the big bang.
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Alyss
Feb 18, 2005 10:25:32 GMT
Post by North Star on Feb 18, 2005 10:25:32 GMT
You know, the whole plot-reveal over Garna is why I "beiged" my last post over it. In one of the few good parts of the later series, please don't spoil it for anyone who doesn't already know. And, IMO, Alyss not being beholden to the Gods is stupid. No-one can enter a universe that isn't created unless they are divine - which Alyss, like any good Mary Sue, isn't (and but is written as if she is of course).
NS.
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Alyss
Feb 19, 2005 3:20:00 GMT
Post by Zipp on Feb 19, 2005 3:20:00 GMT
Grant writes it as the nothingness that existed before everything has to exist somewhere in the universe still, as there is balance in all things. And Alyss is that nothingness.
It's actually written well and was kinda cool. It's what he did with the character after that that gets on my nerves.
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Alyss
Feb 19, 2005 7:18:50 GMT
Post by Gazguz on Feb 19, 2005 7:18:50 GMT
Good point... sorry I didn't think, but if someone doesn't want to know about that probably also doesn't want to be told who Alyss really is either.
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comment... it is my understanding that the trip back in time took her to a place that existed before Aon was created (she was present at its creation) and her actions actually seem to have led to Aons creation... which was basically an agreement to settle things once and for all between good and evil. It is also made clear in the books that Alyss is able to move through dimensions and is able to visit different universes at will and also that she can be present in several at once. She can see into the future and seems to have done quite a bit to ensure that Lone Wolf survived... or was even brought back to life on several occasions. An example of the former include that branch he "accidently ran into" when the kai monestary was attacked. This explains to me how someone familiar with the forest around the monestary could both be so clumsy and so easily incapacitated (even at a run I don't think I could knock myself out by banging into a branch).
Alyss is very much not under control and seems to be less bound by the rules the other gods have imposed upon themselves. Though in a way she is the balance for when Naar cheats, though they all seem to cheat to me. I mean agreeing not to interfere, to let the inhabitants decide and then sending in Giaks, Drakkarim, and Darklords, not to mention Agarash etc, but then the Dessi and Sommlending shows Ishir and Kai can interfere too. (The Shianti were accidents of course... or were they?)
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Alyss
Feb 19, 2005 10:32:25 GMT
Post by North Star on Feb 19, 2005 10:32:25 GMT
Well, according to CANON Lone Wolf, it was Naar who broke Ishir's Peace. Ishir and her consort Kai only responded to try to stop Naar's depredations.
NS.
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