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Post by monty on Feb 6, 2005 14:19:57 GMT
I don't get it. You're aim (should you except it) is to destroy the Transfusor which the Trans-Tukor relies on to keep the Darklords alive outside the Darklands. Right?
So how did Darklord Zagarna make it to the gates of Holmgard? The Nadziranim didn't create the Trans-Tukor till late in the Magnakai series.
Also, I've just encountered Darklord Kraagenskul and I didn't go to the harbour. So how the heck did I know what was being constructed at Argazad?! Lone Wolf says he knows something during a dialogue with the Darklord.
I just get the feeling that Dever wanted to put an end to the Magnakai series quickly. The whole book seems rushed.
One more thing. The Sommerswerd. Can you use the Sommerswerd in the Darklands or am I going to have to rely on hand-to-hand combat because I want to keep my Silver Bow of Duadon. The Sommerswerd is meant to act as a beacon...
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Post by Thomas Wolmer on Feb 6, 2005 15:22:44 GMT
I don't get it. You're aim (should you except it) is to destroy the Transfusor which the Trans-Tukor relies on to keep the Darklords alive outside the Darklands. Right? So how did Darklord Zagarna make it to the gates of Holmgard? The Nadziranim didn't create the Trans-Tukor till late in the Magnakai series. What Section 94 says is that "Previously they had been unable to survive beyond the Darklands for any great length of time and, during these rare, brief excursions, their powers were greatly reduced." Maybe Zagarna's invasion of Sommerlund, which lasted for... 42 days?, was brief enough. In fact, we don't know if he spent all that time in Sommerlund even. This borders on an inconsistency, but you have actually heard about something going on in Section 216. It can be used, but you'd better make sure you're at a safe distance from those who might notice it... |
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Post by monty on Feb 6, 2005 16:27:50 GMT
Also, I could not use the Sommerswerd effectively against Haakon because I did not have access to sunlight. Thing is, I didn't have access to sunlight against Gnaag too because I was in the Tower Of The Damned and yet I incinerated him.
Also, if the darklords could sustain themselves for a number of weeks outside the realm, surely they would have returned as soon as they realised the Tanoz-Tukor did no longer work. Hmm...I feel a major new campaign in the making...
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Post by BenKenobi on Feb 6, 2005 18:30:18 GMT
Also, if the darklords could sustain themselves for a number of weeks outside the realm, surely they would have returned as soon as they realised the Tanoz-Tukor did no longer work. Ehi, I remember that Zagarna and Haakon had some devices that make them breath, and somethin else. In Legends of Lone Wolf, written long before book 12, there was Zagarna with a huge breathing-device on his Zaldan. And in book 5 Haakon has a mask for breathing, too. I suppose that the Darklords, without these equipments, could resist less than a number of weeks. They had an almost sudden death... and their armies went defeated easily without their leadership. |
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Post by outspaced on Feb 6, 2005 19:03:18 GMT
The Masters of Darkness was complete and published in April 1988, over a year before Eclipse of the Kai came along in June 1989.
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Post by monty on Feb 6, 2005 20:03:54 GMT
If that's the case, why would the Darklords leave the Darklands fully aware that Gnaag had the power of life or death over them? For example, Taktaal loathed and hated Ghanesh. Yet Taktaal had access to the transfusor. He could of killed Ghanesh easily and Ghanesh knew it.
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Post by Zipp on Feb 6, 2005 23:10:01 GMT
First off, I alwways thought the Darklords had devices that allowed them to breathe the outside air for a limited time. Although the mask Haakon wears in 5 is because he has a handsome human face, and he likes to hide it (ref. Magnamund Companion, I believe). Still, remember that out of the Legends series, Eclipse of the Kai was the one written very closely with Dever. It's also the one with the most facts. And the fact that it is written after Masters of Darkness probably points to some back tracking and explaining. Thus, the oxygen tanks. Thus, the background of Lone Wolf. Thus, the tying up of Vonotar's beginings.
As for the hatred of the Darklords for one another:
Yes they hate eachother. But they fear and obey Naar. Meaning that to destroy all the Darklords in an attempt to kill the one you didn't like wouldn't sit so well with the God of Darkness. Once united under a leader, the Darklords are able to pretty much put aside their differences and focus on all out destruction. The fact that no major fighting occured during Vashna or Zagarna's reigns proves this.
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Post by Sol on Feb 7, 2005 0:58:12 GMT
Monty,
You bring up some Excellent Points. I think there was something about being able to destroy all the Darklords in one go that seemed funny - although you know, it is very ironic in a way, since the Darklords essentially took out all the Kai in one go by attacking at the Feast of Fehmarn.
Could this sort of "eye for an eye" have been Dever's plan, or is it just a coincidence?
Seriously, though, it does seem strange that not a one of the Darklords makes it back in time. PLUS another interesting tidbit... Lone Wolf (depending upon your choices) may or may not have killed both Taaktal AND Kragunskul (sp?) and both of these guys were both in the Darklands when the Transfuser went. (On the other hand, I don't recall, but was Helgedad completely obliterated as well, or not?)
Quite correct - would any Darklord have just trusted Gnaag not to pull the plug, as it were? One could explain this politically, but a Darklord would have a backup plan I would imagine.
VERY thoughtful points!
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Post by LWhistorian on Feb 7, 2005 7:34:26 GMT
Yeah, it would be rather poor planning to destroy all of the other Darklords just to take out your rival, but who ever said that you had to completely destroy the transfusor? Lone Wolf just did that to get all of them at once, though I am sure Gnaag installed the capability to switch it on or off for the other Darklords individually.
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Post by outspaced on Feb 7, 2005 10:16:52 GMT
I think Dever intimates that the Darklords are a rather brutal group, and that only Gnaag and Vashna really had the brain-power needed to be sneaky--the others would just attack each other and slug it out to see who's the strongest. Because Gnaag is 'sneaky', he's probably set all the Darklords against each other while sympathising with each of them individually. Really, manipulation is a very powerful tool if used correctly. And Gnaag, it would seem, is master of it. Thus, he could persuade the other Darklords that they are safe to go abroad because he's the best friend of each of them. No, honestly. I don't see it as too much of a stretch of the imagination. After all, while reading Lone Wolf I've suspended disbelief enough to accept Darklords, Kai Disciplines and magic . . .  |
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Post by BenKenobi on Feb 7, 2005 14:15:30 GMT
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Post by Sol on Feb 7, 2005 19:18:40 GMT
Kenobi,
All is forgiven! It is possible in the US, for example, that Legends hit the shelves before Book 12. I seem to remember that the US / Brittish lag was something like a year or two... amazing!
The Gnaag Diplomacy:
Taaktuul: Gnaag, you're my best friend ever!
Gnaag: And don't you forget it, shnookems!
Kraakenskul: I thought I was your bestest friend!
Gnaag: (winks at Kraakenskul with 50 of his eyes)
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Post by North Star on Feb 10, 2005 15:33:09 GMT
That sounds like American TV in the UK, getting all the Star Treks, Buffys etc. all two years later.
NS.
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Post by Relenoir on Feb 23, 2005 21:01:32 GMT
Kenobi, All is forgiven! It is possible in the US, for example, that Legends hit the shelves before Book 12. I seem to remember that the US / Brittish lag was something like a year or two... amazing! The Gnaag Diplomacy: Taaktuul: Gnaag, you're my best friend ever! Gnaag: And don't you forget it, shnookems! Kraakenskul: I thought I was your bestest friend! Gnaag: (winks at Kraakenskul with 50 of his eyes) I know I read #12 after I'd first read Eclipse of the Kai. Doesn't mean it was out first, but. . .  Sol: Love that little bit of humor! ;D |
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