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Post by TheGreatBanedon on Apr 8, 2005 18:25:40 GMT
I've read the threads about these too powerful enemies - so if i put in safekeeping the Sommeswerd in the beginning of Book9 and i take it again in the Book12 (to have a chance against those "gods") , its not a trick........am i wrong? Thx in advance for help  |
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Post by Black Cat on Apr 8, 2005 18:31:18 GMT
You have the right to do it, yes. But then, you can ask yourself why Lone Wolf would leave the Sommerswerd in safekeeping before book 9 if he doesn't know which ennemies he is going to meet. Anyway, if you just want to make the way easier for you, then go ahead and put the SS in safekeeping.
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Post by TheGreatBanedon on Apr 8, 2005 20:52:11 GMT
hmm....seeing the things in that way, i could not put in safekeeping my backpack items starting Book 7 before someone steals them at the end and could not change a discipline re-starting a book.
Following the pure logic, many aspects of the rules would be changed....personally im trying to follow the rules step-by-step and nothing else.
Maybe the second time i will play LW.........!
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Post by Zipp on Apr 8, 2005 22:54:28 GMT
I personally think you can keep stuff in safekeeping at any time outside of some of the magnakai adventures (example: when you go to the daziarn). Why would Lone Wolf have to use the Monastery to keep his items safe? During the Kai series, I'm sure the king would keep any back pack items for you. And in the early Magnakai series, why wouldn't Rimoah protect your stuff?
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 9, 2005 2:38:06 GMT
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Post by TheGreatBanedon on Apr 9, 2005 21:28:42 GMT
I've read your post Relenoir but im agree with Zipp in this case...when the text says you can put in safekeeping in Kai Monastery your special items, the real meaning is you can leave them in "the base, the starting point" (except book 11), as i read in this newsletter :
Newsletter Summer Special 1986
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[Q:] Can you keep Backpack Items in [safekeeping] at the Kai Monastery? . . .
[A:] Yes if you wish to leave any surviving Backpack tems in [safekeeping] at the end of an adventure, you can do so.......... Also, purely for the sake of accuracy, the term 'safe keeping at the Kai Monastery' in fact means leaving some items with the Elder Magi in Elzian, which features as Lone Wolf's base of operations during the Magnakai Quest.
Moreover, if you want to do a dirty thing, you can take this passage from the same newsletter :
...A tip to all Kai Masters--don't take you full quota of 12 items with you when you begin the adventure; leave enough room for any you may find en route otherwise you will have to sacrifice some in favour of others....
and leave your Sommeswerd in safekeeping in Book 9 supposing you will need some extra space for other special items you will find during the adventure, for real to win Kimah and Chaos! (and doing this you dont go against logic)
PS: yes, some people can find more useful keeping tickets, keys or maps than the crazy little thing called Sommeswerd!!!!
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Post by Vonotar on Apr 10, 2005 12:36:16 GMT
You have the right to do it, yes. But then, you can ask yourself why Lone Wolf would leave the Sommerswerd in safekeeping before book 9 if he doesn't know which ennemies he is going to meet. Anyway, if you just want to make the way easier for you, then go ahead and put the SS in safekeeping. Back in the days when I used to leave the Sommerswerd in safekeeping for Book 9, it seemed quite straightforward to justify leaving it behind. Book 9 is the actually the first book, since acquiring the Sommerswerd, where you know you're going up against the Darklords from the start. You know there's every chance that you are going to be stuck in a besieged city, surrounded by enemy forces, so you leave the Sommerswerd behind just to make sure it isn't doesn't fall into Darklord hands in the event of your capture. Consider what might have happened to it when you were captured in Book 7 for instance. When Rimoah joins you in Tahou at the start of Book 10, you can take it back, or send it off with Banedon when he flys back to Sommerlund, perhaps to make his disguise more convincing. Again, if you did want to leave it in safekeeping, you would have good justification, since you are fairly certain that you walking into a trap in Torgar. Leaving it behind serves to make a lot of the big fights in Books 9, 10, and 11 much easier. The final battle in Book 11 becomes very difficult however, so it's a tradeoff. |
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Post by Ghost Bear on Apr 10, 2005 20:53:10 GMT
Book 9 is the actually the first book, since acquiring the Sommerswerd, where you know you're going up against the Darklords from the start. You know there's every chance that you are going to be stuck in a besieged city, surrounded by enemy forces, so you leave the Sommerswerd behind just to make sure it isn't doesn't fall into Darklord hands in the event of your capture. Consider what might have happened to it when you were captured in Book 7 for instance. You might be going into battle against a Darklord, so you leave the only weapon that can kill them behind? That doesn't sit right with me. It's just not in character for Lone Wolf to ever leave the Sommerswerd in Safekeeping as far as I'm concerned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for even considering the notion. Booo! Hisssss! Yaaaa! Not really, of course. Play as you like, but I'd certainly never do it. -GB |
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 11, 2005 2:38:14 GMT
You might be going into battle against a Darklord, so you leave the only weapon that can kill them behind? That doesn't sit right with me. It's just not in character for Lone Wolf to ever leave the Sommerswerd in Safekeeping as far as I'm concerned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for even considering the notion. Booo! Hisssss! Yaaaa! Not really, of course. Play as you like, but I'd certainly never do it. -GB I'm with Ghost Bear on this one: you'd never leave your best weapon at home! |
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Post by Vonotar on Apr 11, 2005 12:49:46 GMT
You might be going into battle against a Darklord, so you leave the only weapon that can kill them behind? That doesn't sit right with me. -GB Technically it isn't the only such weapon - the Dagger of Vashna works just fine against Darklords. So, I made sure to take it along to Tahou, just in case. Which was lucky, because it came in really handy during this one encounter...  In any case, I now prefer the gate guard route, as it spices up Book 9 a bit. And leaving the Sommerswerd behind in Book 11 just isn't an option for me, as that final battle is so tricky without it. |
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Post by North Star on Apr 11, 2005 14:02:42 GMT
It's like people who claim that Book 12 is a letdown. You were BORN to destroy the Darklords and I don't think that an epic bloodbath worthy of the Gods of Evil would really be appropriate. I actually LIKE the bloodless destruction of the Darklords with the Sommerswerd. NS (kind of an exalted purist). Edit: Heh. Just thought that it's actually ZAKHAN Kimah |
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Post by Dusk Fox on May 31, 2005 21:40:24 GMT
Technically it isn't the only such weapon - the Dagger of Vashna works just fine against Darklords. Yeah, but you wouldn't know that unless you'd already tried to use it against Kraagenskul. It's just an ordinary dagger for almost all the other adventures. Maybe it's just that I'm a cheating bastard, but I feel like one of the very few who actually relishes going up against the harder enemies. I prefer knowing sometimes that I'm not going to kill my foe in two rounds, and that there's an actual chance that I may get trounced. |
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