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Post by andyc on Jul 10, 2020 19:18:18 GMT
Wow. I knew these books were rare but a an eBay sale for a job lot of all five went for £2107. That's insane! There are some hardcore collectors out there that's for sure.
Having said that, I've spent silly money on some rare David Gemmell hardbacks back in the day and while not quite in the same price league, I guess I can understand the need to complete the collection if you have the cash to spare. With three children now, there is little cash spare!
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Post by rhygar on Jul 11, 2020 7:05:48 GMT
Amazing isn't it?
I sometimes see 'Buy it Now' prices for items and think 'they'll never sell at that price', but then maybe they do.
There are some LW collectors edition books 14,16 and 17 are up to £310.00 already, 16 bids in and just over 2 days to go.
Fair enough if you've got the money and want something.
I'm in the same boat as you though - I've not that sort of money lying around.
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Post by andyc on Jul 11, 2020 14:21:44 GMT
The Collectors Edition Book 5 that someone has had on at £999 for ages is taking the piss though. I will be VERY surprised if that one sells.
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Post by Ofecks on Jul 11, 2020 15:37:44 GMT
I sometimes see 'Buy it Now' prices for items and think 'they'll never sell at that price', but then maybe they do. You can confirm this by selecting "sold items" on the left menu (under "show only"). |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Jul 21, 2020 16:51:47 GMT
Hardback 15 itself is worth over £1500 because there are crazy rich people willing to pay at this crazy price!
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Dec 19, 2020 16:32:16 GMT
How i wish lw14 to 22 can be reprinted in Holmgard hardcover editions! Each can be sold at £49.99 and demand for such books at Magnamund will not falter!
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Post by kolinovic on Jan 25, 2021 9:25:46 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks there's something a bit sad that none of this crazy money goes to Holmgard Press? Surely a limited run of all the books would be worth their while, just to have them in stock and available to sell to interested buyers? I find the opportunism of eBay a little distasteful actually
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Post by andyc on Jan 25, 2021 16:13:54 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks there's something a bit sad that none of this crazy money goes to Holmgard Press? Surely a limited run of all the books would be worth their while, just to have them in stock and available to sell to interested buyers? I find the opportunism of eBay a little distasteful actually They are planning to have all 32 books released as part of a Definitive Edition run. The idea, I gather, is to have a consistency in who does the cover art (Alberto Dal Lago), main map (Francesco Mattioli) and interior art (Nerdgore). It will obviously take some time, but eventually all should be available to buy on the Holmgard website. I don't rate the Mongoose Collector's editions as highly as the quality of the Holmgard Press releases (which are beautiful), so I am very happy about the Definitive Edition release idea. The DEs won't have the bonus adventures, but I gather there is plans to have them released in some sort of compendium(s). I would hold your horses and not pay the scalpers. Having said that, in my case I couldn't resist getting the CEs of 21 and 22 so at least I had a nicely consistent set of hardback New Order books. The rest I have in Red Fox paperbacks which have superior art in my opinion. |
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Post by kolinovic on Jan 25, 2021 16:53:25 GMT
Similar thoughts to my own - I will probably get the Storms of Chai when that's released as the CE, and then I'll try to rebuild my original collection of 1-12 and have a think about whether I want to own more. The nostalgia of the original releases is stronger for me than a desire for consistent artwork etc., though I can understand for fans down the line those might have an appeal. But the main thing I'm trying to get across is that it seems a pity that there weren't more of the CE's printed in the first place so the fans who are looking for them now don't get fleeced. For example I picked up the extended Flight from the Dark and was astonished to see it going for €200 now!
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Post by Ofecks on Jan 26, 2021 5:39:44 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks there's something a bit sad that none of this crazy money goes to Holmgard Press? Surely a limited run of all the books would be worth their while, just to have them in stock and available to sell to interested buyers? I find the opportunism of eBay a little distasteful actually Nope, not the only one. The markets for used collectibles are absurd and encourage scalper-like behaviors. The retro gaming (console and arcade video games) scene has exploded over the past decade and the prices for almost everything desirable have gone through the roof, EVEN WITH the advent of flash carts and ODEs and FPGA solutions like the MiSTER. I get the appeal of having physical goods, books and games especially, but at those kinds of prices, where the neither the creators nor IP holders see any of the money... I won't do it. Unless I were rich with more money than sense  I bought the Kai series when the Mongoose deal was fairly new, and I've been tempted to offload them, to be perfectly honest. Maybe I could give Holmgard Press a percentage of the proceeds! |
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Post by kolinovic on Jan 26, 2021 9:44:21 GMT
Sure, I completely get the appeal for the older items which are no longer available, and the price of the original LW books is fair. But for the CE's, my question is more why Holmgard etc. don't print more and sell them themselves. These aren't books from the 80s which are no longer available...
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Post by andyc on Jan 26, 2021 13:07:14 GMT
Sure, I completely get the appeal for the older items which are no longer available, and the price of the original LW books is fair. But for the CE's, my question is more why Holmgard etc. don't print more and sell them themselves. These aren't books from the 80s which are no longer available... I think Ben, Vincent and Co all have non-Lone Wolf full time jobs, and the releases by Holmgard Press are done in their limited spare time. I'm not in the printing trade but I am fairly sure that boshing out a new load of Collector's Editions would be a big undertaking. Better to focus on Book 32, the CEs of 27 and 28 (and 29?), the DE range and bonus adventure compilations. Oh, and maybe CEs of the Grey Star Books, Autumn Snow.... yeah, they have plenty to keep them busy! |
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Post by Black Cat on Jan 26, 2021 15:02:52 GMT
Sure, I completely get the appeal for the older items which are no longer available, and the price of the original LW books is fair. But for the CE's, my question is more why Holmgard etc. don't print more and sell them themselves. These aren't books from the 80s which are no longer available... I think Ben, Vincent and Co all have non-Lone Wolf full time jobs, and the releases by Holmgard Press are done in their limited spare time. I'm not in the printing trade but I am fairly sure that boshing out a new load of Collector's Editions would be a big undertaking. Better to focus on Book 32, the CEs of 27 and 28 (and 29?), the DE range and bonus adventure compilations. Oh, and maybe CEs of the Grey Star Books, Autumn Snow.... yeah, they have plenty to keep them busy! Don't forget one thing: a company's goal is to make profit (even for a non-profit organization) and not lose money year after year. To make money, you have to sell something, but to sell something, you have to make that thing and to make that thing, you need money! Releasing all the Definitive Editions, the Collector's Editions of 27 and 28, the GS series and book 32 all in a short period of time requires a lot of cash and I don't think Holmgard Press has enough of it to do that. With each new book, I think they need to sell quite a few copies before they make a profit. So imagine if they release all these 30+ books at the same time, the consumers will go: "Oh, I'll buy one or two of them now and the other ones will wait for later because I don't have enough cash!". Meanwhile, Holmgard Press has to pay the printers, the artists, in some case the authors, the distributors and probably the bank were they have loaned money all at the same time. |
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Post by kolinovic on Jan 26, 2021 15:05:26 GMT
Thank you Black Cat! An explanation that makes sense to me! |
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Post by lorddarkstorm on Jan 26, 2021 15:48:06 GMT
Yup, and the lower the print run the more expensive each individual book costs to make. Not really worth it to do an extra run to try and scalp on ebay. Of course, if you're doing your first print run and manage to sell out the print run, but slow enough that there doesn't seems to be a demand for a second run, the "extras" you hold back in case of postal loss/damage could go on ebay. I've heard of some who do this. Others just sell them at the normal price. I wish the new definitive editions used Peter Andrew Jones art (most notable for red fox 1-20). I was going through it all in the covers thread last month and fell in love with his art all over again. |
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