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Post by blaise on Feb 7, 2008 14:30:25 GMT
There's also the "team rocket" syndrome. The author has to make the villain look incredibly powerful for the reader to be impressed, but then you still have to make the good guy win and then it becomes tempting to drop the power of evil by some points.
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Post by Taryn on Feb 7, 2008 15:04:21 GMT
I can picture the fight now...
Naar: COMBAT SKILL 106 ENDURANCE 520
Add 47 points to your COMBAT SKILL because Naar was distracted by a girl in a bathing suit.
If you possess the Sommerswerd, turn to 106 where you can fight him with his CS and EP doubled.
If you possess the Xaqjzoom, turn to 85 and kill him without fighting him, but only if you don't have the Sommerswerd.
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Post by joe101 on Feb 8, 2008 0:09:18 GMT
I can picture the fight now... Naar: COMBAT SKILL 106 ENDURANCE 520 Add 47 points to your COMBAT SKILL because Naar was distracted by a girl in a bathing suit. If you possess the Sommerswerd, turn to 106 where you can fight him with his CS and EP doubled. If you possess the Xaqjzoom, turn to 85 and kill him without fighting him, but only if you don't have the Sommerswerd. I would of took him in the first round....with the Sommerswerd. ;D
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Post by beowuuf on Feb 8, 2008 8:03:55 GMT
I just think that Magaarn overpowering Lone Wolf with this stone that he just obtained is somewhat excessive. Perhaps if Magaarn had this stone for quite some time and learned to use it's destructive power to it's fullest I would understand this happening, but not in this case. Whe it comes down to it, Naar is the God of Evil and the evil he radiates should make anything else seem insignificant in comparison including the Doomstone. This is why he is a god after all... I think the point of evil is that the power is very, very easy to gain but the price is very, very high. Magnaarn gained an item to marshal the forces of evil and be able to just gesture with an cripple a kai grand master, but the cost was that he would die due to it's power in days The naar thing is weird, but I guess being almost a surpreme master and alyss's protection does account for it
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 27, 2008 4:25:40 GMT
Reckon a more satisfying and simple explanation is that Naar can only act through his minions- that's why he imports Mr Skullface dude to chop up you &Alyss instead of just grabbing a chunk of Pure Darkness and clubbing you to death. When you confront him he is ultimately just a pair of eyes staring out of flibbery Chaos. You have reached the eye of the hurricane and are safe, in a peculiar way, like a flea on the back of a rat. The other thing is- the Doomstones wer created by Agarash as a mockery of the Lorestones. As the Lorestones are the source of all your powers it makes sense that the Doomstones can drain them away!
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Post by joe101 on Mar 28, 2008 2:57:56 GMT
If Naar can only act through his minions wouldn't that just make him...useless? If he is the God of Evil he should be able to point at you and say "Die" and you die. Especially when you are practically in his living room.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 28, 2008 6:43:43 GMT
If Naar can only act through his minions wouldn't that just make him...useless? If he is the God of Evil he should be able to point at you and say "Die" and you die. Especially when you are practically in his living room. I believe the rules of the contest between good and evil state that neither side can directly interfere in the struggle. Instead, they must act through minions.
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Post by Taryn on Mar 28, 2008 8:58:47 GMT
I remember reading that as well, although it may be a Barnettism. In the Legends, the reason for Aon's existence was to allow the gods to fight it out.
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Post by joe101 on Mar 29, 2008 1:27:23 GMT
If Naar can only act through his minions wouldn't that just make him...useless? If he is the God of Evil he should be able to point at you and say "Die" and you die. Especially when you are practically in his living room. I believe the rules of the contest between good and evil state that neither side can directly interfere in the struggle. Instead, they must act through minions. It's odd that Gods would have to follow rules. How were these rules put into play?
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Post by insomniac on Mar 29, 2008 1:45:54 GMT
I believe the rules of the contest between good and evil state that neither side can directly interfere in the struggle. Instead, they must act through minions. It's odd that Gods would have to follow rules. How were these rules put into play? As I recall, the gods of Good (Kai, Ishir) and Evil (Naar) voluntarily agreed to be bound by the rules, which they devised as a contest. Edit: The only thing is, I can't remember where I read that. Is it in Book 20? Or, wait, I think I just remembered: it's explained to Lone Wolf in Book 11 by the lion-woman who rules the city of apes...her name starts with an S.
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Post by section350 on Mar 29, 2008 1:52:46 GMT
If I recall correctly, Ishir and Naar basically agreed to the rules over a handshake. Direct conflict between the gods is futile because they are immortal and impervious. They already spent aeons trying that and realized they couldn't dent each other because they were invincible divine beings. So they basically decided to play a game of Warhammer (complete with living, destroyable toy soldier miniatures) and fight each other for dominance THAT way, via the minions. Direct intervention on either side would invariably lead to them mutually destroying all the others creation, and going back to the tedious infinite God-on-God 0-0 draw that existed before.
Which still doesn't explain why Naar wouldn't just CHEAT, being the evil one and all. But then again I guess if the gods did get directly involved, he IS outnumbered 2 to 1. Perhaps this instills some Hobbesian morality and rule-adherence in him; breaking the rule would ultimately be to his disadvantage. Ishir could sic Kai on on Naar and let them do the pointless God-Duel while Ishir went about recreating the universe and populating all it's planets with do-gooders.
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Post by beowuuf on Mar 29, 2008 7:31:37 GMT
Outside of 'normal space' the gods follow no rules, Aon, the great balance, the universe of LW and magnamund, was put in place with both essences of Ishir and Naar as part of the pact. The handshake was that neither side would interfere, but you can imagine one of the inherent conditions of the universe's make up is no direct interference (like a law of physics), or perhaps it needs both Naar's and Ishir's contiued participation.. If, for whatever reason, the gods acted directly perhaps it would tear the universe they prize so highly apart. Or it could be like how you could cheat in chess by moving a slightly different way, but if you cheated by simply grabbing oppoenets pieces and throwing them off, then the game would be ended as the other player just folded the board up and left.
In the WW (from subtle references in the MC) I've always wrote it that if good or evil acts to strongly in a direction, then the universe itself allows a larger reaction from evil.
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Post by joe101 on Mar 29, 2008 18:28:35 GMT
I wonder what would of happened if Lone Wolf struck down Naar in their encounter then? Even though the gods are supposed to be immortal it was mentioned that the Sommerswerd could possibly destroy Naar.
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Post by beowuuf on Mar 29, 2008 19:03:30 GMT
Lol, funny you should mention that... very funny....
Yes, personally I have always thought that the Sommerswerd, forged under Kai's instruction on the plane of light would be a little close to home. Would it be seen as the hand of Kai itself? It might not count, but I can imagine the gods fearing it would count...
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Apr 2, 2008 19:22:26 GMT
I think Kai & Naar are in a secret alliance to replace the mighty custodians of the Goddess with Sun-Kings in their phoney wars. You know- Good God, Bad God.
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