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Post by doresh on Aug 21, 2010 19:30:04 GMT
Hello, fellow Kai Lords! Recently, I decided to finally check out this fine website of yours - and it's been a blast! Unfortunately, I've run into a HUGE problem in book 2... First of, here are the basic stats for my Lone Wolf: CS: 15 EP: 27 Kai Disciplines 1. Hunting 2. Weaponskill in Short Sword 3. Healing 4. Sixth Sense 5. Camouflage 6. Mindblast I'm totally stuck at the fork in section 150: one way leads to certain doom later on. The other way offers me the option to get the Magic Spear I NEED to have any chance of surviving this book. UNFORTUNATELY, getting the spear results in a fight that's pretty much impossible to win, even if I had Mindshield. Since I don't have Animal Kinship either, I've basically no way to win - if I don't cheat in the fight or pretend that my Weaponskill (a Discipline that, up to this point, was only used once in a single, easy fight) is really Animal Kinship...
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Post by pi4t on Aug 22, 2010 11:32:18 GMT
Well, that Weaponskill with Short Sword will be very useful in future adventures! You'll have to fight the battle I'm afraid. What I normally do to prevent frustration at dieing repeatedly is to keep a 'death score', counting the number of times my character's died. Obviously I want to keep this number low! So, if LW dies through loss of Endurance, I'll restore his E to full, add 1 to my death score, and carry on (with the battle, or through the book if I died out of combat). If I dies through a 'K' on the Combat Results Table, I won't restore my E, I'll just add 1 to my Death Score, and continue with the battle. If I get an instant death outside combat, I'll add 1 to my death score and go back as far as I need to to avoid the instant death. Note: If I have 2 Endurance and am told to subtract 3, then I will subtract 2, resulting in 0 E, and therefore +1 Death Score and a restore to full E, then I'll subtract the last E.
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Post by doresh on Aug 22, 2010 12:36:07 GMT
Good to know that I should stick with that Weaponskill This "deatch score" sounds interesting, but I was thinking about something that will punish me more for cheating - like giving yourself bonuses on your random number you'll later use as penalties for future random numbers, or choosing the numbers in advance and pick lower numbers for later battles. To keep things even This'll prohibit me from getting anything about 7 (since I HAVE to get a 8+ for this fight pretty much every single round) for a while, but I'm perfectly happy with that ;D
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Post by salivanth on Aug 31, 2010 7:56:05 GMT
What I suggest is to follow the rules, specifically the rule that says when you die, you go back to the beginning of the book. This also allows you to repick your sixth discipline. Might I suggest...Animal Kinship?
You obviously want to follow the rules, and that's a good thing (though there's no harm in cheating a bit if you're really stuck: most of us here have done it every now and then) and this solution lets you obey the rules and still avoid the near-impossibility of that combat.
Good luck in your quest for the Sommerswerd!
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Post by altwren on Aug 31, 2010 18:40:52 GMT
F Kinship. Dude needs to restart the book with Mindshield, post haste! Kinship isn't going to help at all without the spear, which he's having trouble getting. However, he has managed to pick what I consider the three of the four worst disciplines in just two books; so maybe you just ought to go back to book 1. Sometimes Not cheating is the way to go. When you're this early in the series, you might just want to die, go back to the start and try for a stronger LW. Else, come book 9 or 11, you sir, are TOAST! 15 CS starting just ain't going to cut it against the double big bads of the Magnakai block, ZK or CM (initials used to prevent spoilers.)
(Don't feel bad about picking three bad disciplines, in my opinion. Your other choices are three of the best.)
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Post by rainfeather on Nov 25, 2011 2:22:26 GMT
That battle is just... mean. You end up facing two Helghasts almost in a row, and you pretty much need the spear to kill the second jerk.
About the only things you really can do is keep plugging away at it. I ran Rain Feather through Book 2 about ten times before I got the trick to it- and the right equipment and disciplines.
15's middle of the road for CS... I'd work on either bringing that up or just rerolling and starting over.
The good news is that the peak of the book, and once you get to Durenor, well, you become a lot harder to kill.
EDIT: Many apologies for the necropost. I really should look at the post dates before helping someone...
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Post by outspaced on Nov 25, 2011 10:35:57 GMT
rainfeather: No problem. There are no tedious "anti-thread-necromancy" rules on this board, a point of which we are justifiably proud!
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Jan 15, 2012 0:06:11 GMT
I could have sworn you DON'T need the Magic Spear if you use your AK- It's a Good Day!
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jan 23, 2012 23:09:40 GMT
There appear to have been two canonical revisions of 'Fire on the Water'. The original one (which I prefer) meant you could use Animal Kinship instead of a Magic Spear....
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shinreizen
Kai Lord
Suddenly missing Lone Wolf's gamebooks...
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Post by shinreizen on Mar 21, 2012 9:00:44 GMT
The first time I played the book, which was a long time ago, I mercifully gave the Magic Spear to Rhygar, and died a tragic death in the tunnel. I replayed from Book 1 and made sure I have Animal Kinship and Mindshield by the time I reached Book 2. Have anyone ever cheated their CS and EP pick at Random Number Table? Sometimes I would sort of memorize the position of numbers on the RND page, close my eyes, and try my best to put my pencil at the places where there is 9 (or 0 during combat). It helps a lot every time I replay from Book 1 and during boss fight. Though sometimes I fall to 1 and got KO'ed instead. But ZK, CM and the Book 17 blasphemy were really a tough fight, all because I couldn't get myself to leave the Sommerswerd at the monastery. Hehe.
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Post by Gazguz on Apr 1, 2012 5:51:35 GMT
Actually it is funny you should mention that, because I felt the fact that the random number tables purpose was that eventually with a lot of use you could learn where the 0s and 9s were and even though you still closed your eyes you learned where the good numbers were and that bias was "gained" from experience.
I felt that was part of the design...
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Post by Taryn on Apr 5, 2012 17:33:04 GMT
And I always thought the RNT was annoying to deal with and easy to cheat, so I replaced it with a 10-sided die fairly early on.
I do tend to cheat the CS and EP rolls though, especially the CS roll, since those rolls have such a huge impact on the next 20 books. I feel there's no point in getting through the Kai series with a CS of 13 if I'll just die in the Magnakai series.
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Post by jdubs1211 on Apr 24, 2012 6:31:51 GMT
That battle is just... mean. You end up facing two Helghasts almost in a row, and you pretty much need the spear to kill the second jerk. About the only things you really can do is keep plugging away at it. I ran Rain Feather through Book 2 about ten times before I got the trick to it- and the right equipment and disciplines. 15's middle of the road for CS... I'd work on either bringing that up or just rerolling and starting over. The good news is that the peak of the book, and once you get to Durenor, well, you become a lot harder to kill. EDIT: Many apologies for the necropost. I really should look at the post dates before helping someone... When you speak of two Helghasts in a row almost.. what two are you talking about? know its possible to fight one when you are ambushed before entering the Tunnels and then you could fight one or two on the ship.. but all those are optional as I recall
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Post by Taryn on Apr 24, 2012 7:21:45 GMT
I assume he means the one on the road to Port Bax and then the one in the tunnels. Only the first one has an actual combat though. The second one just kills LW if he doesn't have the Magic Spear.
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Post by silentviper on May 11, 2012 14:29:08 GMT
Change your 6th discipline to Animal Kinship (I dont think its against the rules to change your new discipline during each retry).
Never go into book 2 without AK again.
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