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Post by Nym90 on Jul 19, 2016 19:51:27 GMT
Thank you so much, outspaced! As a completist who likes to eventually read every section of every book, it's reassuring to have the charts so that I know what I may have missed along the way. They are one of my favorite features of the Project Aon site.
In fact this will likely spur me to now read the book, which I have not gotten to as of yet since ordering.
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Post by outspaced on Jul 20, 2016 17:12:44 GMT
I've also added a flowchart for the bonus adventure The Tides of Gorgoron to my site. This was was quite problematic as there are about half a dozen unlinked sections. To try to correct this, I tentatively recommend the following:
Section 8 could possibly link to 18 and 123 by adding the following options:
[/b]. If you possess the Bloodied Bolt but do not possess this Discipline, turn to 123.[/ul] This would bring Sections 18, 81, 115, 123, and 130 back into the game. If anyone can come up with a better solution for bringing Sections 18 and 123 back into the game, I'm all ears![/s] (See the author Vincent Lazzari's post below for an explanation.)
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Post by outspaced on Jul 20, 2016 17:13:41 GMT
Nym, check the link again--I've improved the Lone Wolf CE flowcharts somewhat by adding in combats and Illustration placements. Hope it helps!
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koreth
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Post by koreth on Jul 20, 2016 17:24:24 GMT
I haven't time to review the links, but thanks in advance for doing this!
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Post by outspaced on Jul 21, 2016 15:26:43 GMT
Right, my site is finally up to date with flowcharts for the CEs and bonus adventures. Here is a full list of link-errors in the CEs and my proposed changes to fix them.
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Post by Nym90 on Jul 21, 2016 16:13:21 GMT
Nym, check the link again--I've improved the Lone Wolf CE flowcharts somewhat by adding in combats and Illustration placements. Hope it helps! Great work! Thanks again.
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Jul 27, 2016 10:24:38 GMT
My main thought is that Joe Dever should get Project Aon to beta test his new books
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Post by Wise Eagle on Jul 27, 2016 17:48:30 GMT
Also missing as indicated earlier.
It is not explained in the book how to make a Test, so will power stealing is not usable at all.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Jul 28, 2016 8:33:48 GMT
Also missing as indicated earlier. It is not explained in the book how to make a Test, so will power stealing is not usable at all. Is that the Willsteal power of Kaenos? I found that to be quite frustrating, as it seemed like a cool idea, but the rules were so garbled it was basically unusable.
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Post by zorkraan on Sept 19, 2016 12:34:13 GMT
I've also added a flowchart for the bonus adventure The Tides of Gorgoron to my site. This was was quite problematic as there are about half a dozen unlinked sections. To try to correct this, I tentatively recommend the following: Section 8 could possibly link to 18 and 123 by adding the following options: [/b]. If you possess the Bloodied Bolt but do not possess this Discipline, turn to 123.[/ul] This would bring Sections 18, 81, 115, 123, and 130 back into the game. If anyone can come up with a better solution for bringing Sections 18 and 123 back into the game, I'm all ears![/quote] Dear Outspaced, Vincent Lazzari here. Many thanks for all the good work you do on the LW gamebooks. I'm delighted you also took time to review the LW29BA I co-wrote with Joe Dever (I must admit, my greatest experience as a LW Fan: being able to explore the last era of the LW adventures with the Grand Master himself). I'd like however to clarify something regarding the corrections you propose. I disagree, there are not 5 unlinked sections, let my explain :-) : - Sections 18 and 123 (which lead to sections 81, 115 an 130) are secret sections, it is intentional they cannot be reached from any section of the gamebook if the Player doesn't know how to proceed. - Section 18 can be accessed from section 8. - Section 123 can be accessed from section 113. - How the Player can know he can access sections 18 and 123? Well it is revealed in sections 5 and 48 : " If later in this adventure you suspect a potentially hostile Shadakine activity, add 10 to the number of the section you are reading. You should then turn to the corresponding section (instead of the section indicated). The sections in which this directive should be used will have their section number shown in italics.". There is no need hence to add the sentences you proposed in section 8. As you can see checking again your own copy of LW29, sections 8 and 113 are in italic font, indicating to the players who know it they may add 10 to the number and reach the secret sections. I hope it will help.
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Post by zorkraan on Sept 19, 2016 12:44:03 GMT
Also missing as indicated earlier. It is not explained in the book how to make a Test, so will power stealing is not usable at all. Dear Wise Eagle & Rusty Gladiator, Very sorry if the text was unclear ! By 'Both you and your chosen enemy then take a Test' when you try to cast Willsteal, we meant "Both you and your chosen enemy pick a number from the Random Number Table". I hope it will help you to use the Discipline of Kaenos against the numerous Agarashi of the adventure. This will be corrected in further editions of LW29
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Post by zorkraan on Sept 19, 2016 14:00:42 GMT
I quite enjoyed the bonus adventure- it was like a novella more than a gamebook. Good to have loads more info about Dessi & how it ticks (but frustrating to realise how stingey they are, given their resources!) Yes, I read the LW29 bonus adventure 2 weeks ago and really enjoyed it. It flowed very well, told a lot of story, and was very entertaining. Thank you so much for your kind comments guys ! You cannot imagine how it makes me happy :-). This BA was really designed to bring more material and answers about the plot of LW29 and about the global war of MS 5102, and to make links with previous LW gamebooks, notably LW22 and its Bonus Adventure. Was there some LW ERPG inspired stuff in this story? The Calencia trick reminds me of the Festival of Ruanon assassination attempt. Well, no, as far as I'm concerned. Calacena is in my view a pretty useful gas for adventuring ^^. Good to hear about Darklord Khatleu (sp) again ! Nice you spotted this detail ! Just a teaser for the big project "Darklands War" which we have in store with Joe Dever. I'll say this, my initial choice of army formations early in the book was the worst possible and I knew I was dead before I read the ending. I couldn't decipher my Prophecy to figure out where to place the troops...the map indicates north but the enemy attack location descriptions in the Prophecy writeup didn't seem to match up directional. Or I just misinterpreted. I re-read and still couldn't see how to interpret the prophecy. Well this is a pertinent criticism. The Prophecy is not supposed to give you the complete answer (we wanted to reward those who go to Cano), it only shows which kind of abominations will assault the bridge. It may or may not (as often with prophetic powers) help you to prepare yourself for the battle. The next 3/4 of the bonus adventure read and felt like a Dr. Who episode (in a good way). Multidimentional Ice Demon that can permanently phase door entrances around protections and seem to have considerably increased powers from LW3. Thank you much ! The Ice Demon is a Greater Ice Demon and indeed he rocks. The dimensional powers he vields are related to the fact he exists in other dimensions than those we know in the material world. I must admit, the final mental challenge...Is the Ice Demon who you think it is..had me going and retracing events in my head, but in the end I chose correctly, just couldn't find the solid evidence to change sides, and glad I chose as I did. I couldn't be more happy after reading this comment !! This trick was intended to play with the paranoia of the reader. I'm glad you overcame it. The bad guys are getting smarter and joining forces. It did give a chill down my spine to think of the possible damage that could do, with a united assortment of baddies. All in all, a very good bonus adventure. And it's only the beginning as you can imagine. As the SSF of LW29 state, they are all involved: Nadziranim, Ice Demons, Cener Druids, Agarashi, Kitaezi Shamans... Can't wait to read the next books. Thank you so much, once again, for your laudative comments Koreth !!
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Post by outspaced on Sept 20, 2016 16:31:33 GMT
Dear Outspaced, Vincent Lazzari here. Many thanks for all the good work you do on the LW gamebooks. I'm delighted you also took time to review the LW29BA I co-wrote with Joe Dever (I must admit, my greatest experience as a LW Fan: being able to explore the last era of the LW adventures with the Grand Master himself). I'd like however to clarify something regarding the corrections you propose. I disagree, there are not 5 unlinked sections, let my explain :-) : - Sections 18 and 123 (which lead to sections 81, 115 an 130) are secret sections, it is intentional they cannot be reached from any section of the gamebook if the Player doesn't know how to proceed. - Section 18 can be accessed from section 8. - Section 123 can be accessed from section 113. - How the Player can know he can access sections 18 and 123? Well it is revealed in sections 5 and 48 : " If later in this adventure you suspect a potentially hostile Shadakine activity, add 10 to the number of the section you are reading. You should then turn to the corresponding section (instead of the section indicated). The sections in which this directive should be used will have their section number shown in italics.". There is no need hence to add the sentences you proposed in section 8. As you can see checking again your own copy of LW29, sections 8 and 113 are in italic font, indicating to the players who know it they may add 10 to the number and reach the secret sections. I hope it will help. Damn! Sorry about that, Vincent. I was sure that I scoured the adventure for hidden links such as those, but I clearly missed them. I got one of the links absolutely bang-on, though (8 -> 18) so I almost got it! Anyhow, thanks for pointing this out. I've revised and updated both the flowchart and the "proposed corrections" on my site, and am about to strike-though the text of my erroneous post in this thread.
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Post by zorkraan on Sept 20, 2016 17:43:14 GMT
Damn! Sorry about that, Vincent. I was sure that I scoured the adventure for hidden links such as those, but I clearly missed them. I got one of the links absolutely bang-on, though (8 -> 18) so I almost got it! Anyhow, thanks for pointing this out. I've revised and updated both the flowchart and the "proposed corrections" on my site, and am about to strike-though the text of my erroneous post in this thread. Really no problem, Outspaced, your work is so astonishing and useful that you are allowed to do little mistakes from time to time. Without noticing the hidden links you had already managed to find half of the solution! I'm happy to clarify for this was not the simplest aspect of this BA (even if obligatory to finish). In any case I've been really impressed by your flowcharts. The flowchart of the LW20BA 'The Purifiers of Kazan-Oud' I co-autored was especially hard to do, nevertheless you managed to do it (to be honest, I had given up myself while checking it before submitting it to Mantikore... Too many links). Question for you: did you find errata in LW20BA and LW22BA ('A Wytch's Nightmare')? Perhaps I missed some discussion ?
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Post by outspaced on Sept 21, 2016 19:33:54 GMT
I just checked, and I found no obvious discrepancies in the game-flow to either of those bonus adventures (20 or 22). There are three problems in the bonus adventure to Book 21, however. See this list for details.
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