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Post by John Bryntze on Sept 7, 2018 10:32:41 GMT
Hi,
Just checking back, is it still a waiting on Project Aon redesign before future releases are released?
Saw the code for Grey Star is done but there is no client for that yet?
Anyone got an update of progress? Dave is out so it is 100% UrQuan now?
If anything I can do to help please let me know
thanks!
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Post by tortle on Sept 11, 2018 0:51:41 GMT
UrQuan hasn't posted since Feb
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Post by tortle on Sept 12, 2018 20:20:04 GMT
Seventh Sense S still has many bugs, so be sure to backup your profile as you go.
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Post by saladdays on Nov 7, 2018 20:10:14 GMT
UrQuan hasn't posted since Feb But he has been online in late-September, so he's at least been around. |
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Post by Ofecks on Nov 8, 2018 23:58:57 GMT
I'd like to attempt to make my own fork, but UrQuan's source code is not available (he hasn't responded to my PMs) and I don't know C++ at all, nor do I have a formal Computer Science education. Years ago, I tried to teach myself C# at work and it went way over my head. I also don't know anything about code management systems and their best practices. It's probably not possible but I can daydream.
Was thinking of adding the following:
- Scoring system
- Online leaderboards for the above, submitted via the program instead of emailing a file to someone
- Moving S' Hardcore mode to a new Arrange Mode and restoring vanilla HC mode
- Battle animations (like, actual sprites, backgrounds, damage numbers, etc.)
- framework for randomizer runs
- restoring all vanilla options that were removed
- fixing some errors, hints, and maybe some nerfs to the award system (specifically the new high combat requirements)
Something else that would be really cool (since I like retro games) is to port the whole thing to a console like the Mega Drive/Genesis or 68k-based arcade hardware (Toaplan2, NMK-16, CPS-1, Neo*Geo, etc.). Gotta know Assembly for that, which I hear is kind of a nightmare to work with. With something like Mega CD or a 32-bit console, there might be enough storage in the medium to add background art for every single section.
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Post by John Bryntze on Nov 9, 2018 13:10:22 GMT
I know a bit of programming and was also thinking of take this on, not to do it so much better but finish the series and possible do Grey Star also.
Since we have David's code would probably start with that, and have to redo a few books UrQuan already done in the previous code.
I got motivation, I got 75% of the programming skills (need to read-up to reach 100%) , most missing "time" which I usually have more of in July, so if no one is on the task to July 2019, I will go full force into it
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Post by Nym90 on Nov 9, 2018 16:24:53 GMT
Glad to hear there is interest from those with the ability to carry this project forward.
Hopefully UrQuan can chime in at same point to let us know if he still plans to complete the books and if not, to share his code to avoid duplication of efforts on already completed books.
Based on his previous posts it sounds like he actually already completed most of the work for the unreleased books, including Grey Star. Maybe he could let us know what still needs to be done and others could help push those books to completion.
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Post by John Bryntze on Nov 9, 2018 20:41:32 GMT
I usually supported David after a few books by sending him small amount of money, happily do the same to UrQuan or whoever continue, not money worth the effort or as only motivation, just to show appreciation.
Got as goal for 2019 to program more so this fit pretty good for me, if we could get the latest code, I might be able to start before July 2019 but at latest, my 2018 is swamped, but January 2019 maybe possible to start.
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Post by saladdays on Dec 5, 2018 19:08:15 GMT
If I had any real knowledge in coding, I would be willing to help. But alas I don't know anymore than what an entry level Java class will teach you.
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Post by John Bryntze on Jan 12, 2020 16:29:32 GMT
Wohaaa, I started a 40+ hours C++ training on Udemy and advance a few hours per week, slowly (done more than half now), I'm planning to take on this project, but go back to David Olsens code since he is the only one who released the course code, so it be a few step back, but at least start finish to book 20 in the previous Seventh Sense and then go from there. I'm still in learning mode and not started to write any code in Seventh Sense, will have to start to understand the code first etc, but one day get this started this year at least  What is good if I manage to take on this, is that I will not quit it or stop, when I start something I finish it |
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Post by Honza on Jan 13, 2020 9:56:51 GMT
Super :-)
As I am not able to run Seventh Sense S on my comp., I am looking forward to be able to finish books 18-20 on "classic" SS.
I'll gladly be a tester, should you need one, John.
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Post by John Bryntze on Jan 15, 2020 7:53:19 GMT
Super :-) As I am not able to run Seventh Sense S on my comp., I am looking forward to be able to finish books 18-20 on "classic" SS. I'll gladly be a tester, should you need one, John. thanks Honza, I plan to have finished the Udemy course on C++ in March and start looking at the code in April (already looked at it to match it to the education but really look into the code) so hopefully in 2020 Q2/Q3 have something to test. |
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Post by Nym90 on Jan 16, 2020 19:07:54 GMT
Great to hear that there is interest/ability in picking this up again. Unfortunately UrQuan just stopped posting abruptly and hasn't even logged into the Forum since November 2018. I hope all is well with him.
It might be worth reaching out to Dave to see if Urquan shared any code with him or has any alternate means of reaching him such as an email address.
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Post by jdubs1211 on Jan 18, 2020 5:42:29 GMT
I appreciate what Urquan did with Seventh Sense S. However, it was him that opened the can of worms with the questioning of "Hall of Fame" stuff that may have been harmful to the Seventh Sense in the long run.
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Post by quintalion on Jun 17, 2020 4:11:57 GMT
Super :-) As I am not able to run Seventh Sense S on my comp., I am looking forward to be able to finish books 18-20 on "classic" SS. I'll gladly be a tester, should you need one, John. thanks Honza, I plan to have finished the Udemy course on C++ in March and start looking at the code in April (already looked at it to match it to the education but really look into the code) so hopefully in 2020 Q2/Q3 have something to test. I think the main issue with someone picking up the baton on Seventh Sense is the licence conditions. They prevent anyone from distributing source or binaries from anywhere except Project Aon and also prevents you from playing the project Aon versions of the book if you start with the original source. Project Aon doesn't have any version control software which makes it harder to have some serious software development occurring on it. I understand the books MUST be distributed in this way but it's unhelpful having the software burdened in the same way. After lurking and watching this issue unfold over a number of years I thought it might be helpful if someone put the source without any of the encumbered material on to GitHub so anyone could fork it but after reading the licence I could see why that wasn't done. In my opinion, the best (legal) path forward is going to be for someone to rewrite Seventh Sense in a different implementation language with a friendlier license because by my reading of the Seventh Sense licence that would be fine. This might be for the best overall as C++ isn't a terribly friendly language to program in. |
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