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Post by Black Cat on Apr 5, 2005 15:50:26 GMT
The Magnamund Companion says that even the Darklords were afraid to enter the icy realm of Ixia for fear of displeasing Ixiataaga. He was one of Agarash's lieutenants, I believe, thereby predating the Darklords by many centuries. I think there's the same reference in book 17.
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 5, 2005 16:33:53 GMT
Aww come on. This is just some fun speculation. Wolf's Bane had a dark sword. We don't know it's actual capabilities. Can it kill a Darklord? Maybe, we don't know. Vashna's CS and EP are given in a Club Newsletter, and if memory serves, I think they're around the 55-60 mark. -GB The dark sword could kill a Darklord perhaps, or maybe heal it back to full EP! LW: Ha! I have you now, Vashna! Vashna, from his knees: I will destroy you Lone Wolf! I will return! LW: Doubtful. I will now slay you with this blade I took from Wolf's Bane after I killed him. Prepare to die! *Stab!* Vashna: Hey! That felt good! LW: *sighs* I put way too much stock into these evil weapons that I relieve from their former owners. Vashna's stats were somewhere around where Ghost Bear mentioned, but like he said, we don't know WB's capabilities. A lot of LW's stat boosts come from items, so perhaps WB has stat-boosting items and weapons too, bringing him closer to the level of Vashna. After all, when you fight him using normal blades, the CR is -4, and this is two books after you fight Ixy. Oh, and yes; Ixy is a lieutenant of Agarash as Outspaced and Black Cat mentioned above.
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Post by Zipp on Apr 5, 2005 18:31:40 GMT
not that much in fact, ulnar while not even with the training of a kai master pulverized him. that's why i'd like some other scumbag to replace him at top of the villain pantheon, under agarash of course. especially since when i realized few years ago he was some sort of rat-kin fur ball while as a kid i thought he had human looks. so if not wolfs bane, ixiataaga maybe? Now here I think you have a point! Ixiataaga was defenitely feared by the Darklords and probably could've killed them. Ah, but why does everyone underestimate Vashna? There's a reason people don't want him revived! And Ulnar died while fighting him, plus he relied entirely on the Sommerswerd.
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Post by Nathan P. Mahney on Apr 6, 2005 7:48:37 GMT
Well, Helshezag was an evil blade, and quite capable of killing Darklords. The same holds for the Zejar-Dulaga and the Dagger of Vashna.
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Post by The Tagazin Poodle on Apr 6, 2005 14:38:44 GMT
Wolf's Bane: Skarn's Newspaper
Frankly, if Joe can create a Sommerswerd, then a Wonterswerd isn't out of the question.
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Post by BenKenobi on Apr 8, 2005 18:59:42 GMT
Well, Wolf's Bane is quite lucky that Lone Wolf accepts the duel without using the Sommerswerd... with his golden sword, Lone Wolf would have a +4 combat ratio ! It would be a rather easy combat, with very good chances of victory. And, for the question about Wolf's Bane and the Darklords: of course he can kill them, he has the skill of a Grand Master... it just lacks of a special weapon to attack the Darklords... they are invulnerable from normal weapons (unless they're weakened, as Haakon in book 5 because outside the Darklands). But give Wolf's Bane a special weapon, also one that doesn't add CS, and he will defeat the Darklords, with no doubt. I always disliked the fact that Lone Wolf wins the fight with the help of Alyss. I wanted to defeat Wolf's Bane alone !!!!!
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Post by Zipp on Apr 8, 2005 20:21:55 GMT
Well, Wolf's Bane is quite lucky that Lone Wolf accepts the duel without using the Sommerswerd... with his golden sword, Lone Wolf would have a +4 combat ratio ! It would be a rather easy combat, with very good chances of victory. And, for the question about Wolf's Bane and the Darklords: of course he can kill them, he has the skill of a Grand Master... it just lacks of a special weapon to attack the Darklords... they are invulnerable from normal weapons (unless they're weakened, as Haakon in book 5 because outside the Darklands). But give Wolf's Bane a special weapon, also one that doesn't add CS, and he will defeat the Darklords, with no doubt. I always disliked the fact that Lone Wolf wins the fight with the help of Alyss. I wanted to defeat Wolf's Bane alone !!!!! Okay, this is what I was trying to say. He just said it much better. Man, do I feel stupid. Here I am, considering myself a writer, and I can't even explain myself properly. Anyways, yes, I think that Wolf's Bane is lacking the proper tools to kill the Darklords. However, I still don't think he could defeat Vashna. Even though he looks like a drowned rat. Or a bad drawing of Kimahri (FF X). About Alyss, don't you actually defeat Wolf's Bane before she comes? I thought she only saved you from Keekataag? Haven't read it in a while, so... maybe. Zipp
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Post by Relenoir on Apr 9, 2005 2:22:00 GMT
I think she does some time-freeze thing to help you out against one of his minions. I have to start homework very shortly, or I'd look it up. Anybody remember for sure?
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Post by Black Cat on Apr 9, 2005 2:35:12 GMT
I think she does some time-freeze thing to help you out against one of his minions. I have to start homework very shortly, or I'd look it up. Anybody remember for sure? Yep, she uses some time-freezing spell because Wolf'S Bane calls one of his minion to attack you during the duel, which is unfair. She doesn't kill Wolf's Bane for you though...
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Post by Zipp on Apr 9, 2005 3:24:12 GMT
Yeah, she was just balancing it out, because he tries to off your ass.
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Post by Wild Horse on Apr 9, 2005 12:06:45 GMT
I remember the context of the particular fight, was that Lone Wolf was having the upper hand against Wolf's Bane, coz the latter was "bleeding from his wounds"
Wolf's Bane wouldn't call on his demon to attack Lone Wolf, unless things were really desperate.
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Post by Gazguz on Apr 10, 2005 11:26:48 GMT
It wasn't so much the fact that Vashna would rise up if you failed at Makken gorge.. it was that he would have a whole undead army with him.
Also from memory wasn't there a description of the battle against Vashna that seemed to involve Vashna being overconfident and cocky with a nimble attacker administering small quick attacks that eventually led to a grievous wound being inflicted. Or was that from the novels?
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Post by Gazguz on Apr 10, 2005 11:32:58 GMT
BTW I think the main danger in fighting Ixiataaga is that his forces increase with every battle and he controls undead creatures.
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Post by outspaced on Apr 10, 2005 12:50:51 GMT
Also from memory wasn't there a description of the battle against Vashna that seemed to involve Vashna being overconfident and [thingy]y with a nimble attacker administering small quick attacks that eventually led to a grievous wound being inflicted. Or was that from the novels? I'm 99.9% sure that was from the novels, where heroes are reduced to useless, whiny brats and monstrous evil is reduced to caricatured stupid oafs, and Gods are reduced to useless, petty, stupid beings, and Alyss and Q****** shall have dominion, yea even unto the ending of the world.
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Post by bleh on Apr 10, 2005 14:24:16 GMT
a friend told me ad&d monstrous compendium gives gnaag an xp value of 40000, kraagenskul 12000, and finaly wolfbane 26000, so much for the comparison...
but i'm not sure the author would agree with these evaluations
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