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Post by zorkraan on Feb 19, 2021 10:06:11 GMT
Book 32 size. We see the physical width of Book 31, and know that Book 32 will have more paragraphs. Like GhostofLandar says in the other thread, I too would urge you ‘not to strip down anything’. You and your team are not beholden to a publishing company which might set arbitrary conditions like maximum word counts or a forced reduction in paragraphs. So my question is: would you consider having the last book consist of two volumes if needs be? The only thing I'll say in this regard: we are aware of the problem and have already pondered on the different options... You'll be informed of our decision in due time, sorry for being so laconic.
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Post by andyc on Feb 19, 2021 13:32:08 GMT
Book 32 size. We see the physical width of Book 31, and know that Book 32 will have more paragraphs. Like GhostofLandar says in the other thread, I too would urge you ‘not to strip down anything’. You and your team are not beholden to a publishing company which might set arbitrary conditions like maximum word counts or a forced reduction in paragraphs. So my question is: would you consider having the last book consist of two volumes if needs be? The only thing I'll say in this regard: we are aware of the problem and have already pondered on the different options... You'll be informed of our decision in due time, sorry for being so laconic. You obviously don't need to reply as you haven't decided yet, but how about Light of the Kai to come in TWO hardback books and a nice slipcase for them to fit neatly in. Obviously would be a higher RRP, but it is the big finale, so we would be happy to pay (well I certainly would)!
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Post by Black Cat on Feb 19, 2021 20:11:46 GMT
You obviously don't need to reply as you haven't decided yet, but how about Light of the Kai to come in TWO hardback books and a nice slipcase for them to fit neatly in. Obviously would be a higher RRP, but it is the big finale, so we would be happy to pay (well I certainly would)! I know it would be tempting but two hardbacks, that would double the price to just get your hands on the adventure and I'm not sure everyone will be able to pay that. Maybe for a Collector's Edition? Books 29 to 32 are considered First Editions, not Collector's Edition like the previous 28 books republished by various publishers.Recently, on the official Facebook page, there was a poll asking for fans if they wanted the Definitive Edition be hardbacks: 70% asked for it while 30% asked for paperbacks. Among those who answered hardbacks, I wonder how many of them will actually buy the books, if they will have the cash for them. If you want to reach new readers, paperbacks is the way, as it will lower the price. What it is important for Holmgard Press is to survive and by that you need new readers to get new money coming in. If you only rely on lifelong fans to just buy hardbacks, you will rapidly reach a limit of how much cash comes in. On a business level, a hardback new version of the Collector's Edition of the Definitive Edition (lot of editions there!) is possible for old fans but I think the focus should be on paperbacks to get a new public.
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Post by andyc on Feb 20, 2021 1:01:45 GMT
You obviously don't need to reply as you haven't decided yet, but how about Light of the Kai to come in TWO hardback books and a nice slipcase for them to fit neatly in. Obviously would be a higher RRP, but it is the big finale, so we would be happy to pay (well I certainly would)! I know it would be tempting but two hardbacks, that would double the price to just get your hands on the adventure and I'm not sure everyone will be able to pay that. Maybe for a Collector's Edition? Books 29 to 32 are considered First Editions, not Collector's Edition like the previous 28 books republished by various publishers.Recently, on the official Facebook page, there was a poll asking for fans if they wanted the Definitive Edition be hardbacks: 70% asked for it while 30% asked for paperbacks. Among those who answered hardbacks, I wonder how many of them will actually buy the books, if they will have the cash for them. If you want to reach new readers, paperbacks is the way, as it will lower the price. What it is important for Holmgard Press is to survive and by that you need new readers to get new money coming in. If you only rely on lifelong fans to just buy hardbacks, you will rapidly reach a limit of how much cash comes in. On a business level, a hardback new version of the Collector's Edition of the Definitive Edition (lot of editions there!) is possible for old fans but I think the focus should be on paperbacks to get a new public. But would joe public even buy paperbacks these days? Although we love the books, I'm not sure the days of gamebook popularity have returned enough to see paperbacks fly off shelves (I might be completely wrong mind). On the other hand, a digital format surely would reach the most readers without the risk of books sitting in warehouses unbought. Make it as convenient and accessible as possible and you'll get the punters. Hardbacks for us old fans though!
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Post by andyc on Feb 26, 2021 19:35:57 GMT
Vincent, are you able to reveal anything of August Hahn's BA 'Dagger of the Mind'? I note, from the chronological list that was published, that it was included with the Manticore Verlag version of Fire on the Water. Given the quality of his other works, I bet this is another one very much worth reading!
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Post by jmisno1 on Feb 26, 2021 20:08:21 GMT
I have 3, now 4, suggestions for Book 32. What do you think of them?
It seems likely that players that have beaten The 1st 11 New Order Books will have quite a lot of Cash stored at The Kai Monastery and may also have other things that could have be of value or be worth selling or even be of value and be worth selling
That is why my suggestion for Book 32 is to add a section either just before paragraph 1 or happens in paragraph 1 were The New Order Grandmaster spend The Cash and trade in the valuables stored at The Kai Monastery for things that are likely to need
4 things of things that I think may be useful that don't appear in The New Order Books are A Suit of Kagonite Chainmail, Ode Herbs, A Modern and better quality, and maybe even improved, Version of The Silver Bow of Duadon from Book 6 and Magic Arrows that can harm things that regular Arrows can't harm
5 things of things that I think may be useful that do appear in The New Order Books but a lot of players I either know or have heard about either miss or don't think are worth buying or aren't worth either acquiring or keeping are The Corvayl Leather Gauntlets and Padded Waistcoat that appear in Book 30 paragraph 276, The Chaksu Leather Boots and Nigumu-sa Leather Books from Book 31, paragraph 98 and The Chaksu Waistcoat that appears in Book 30, paragraph 6
I've had another idea. How about have A Encounter with The Drakkarim Warlord Golzaarn who is mentioned in The Skaror Part of The MS 5102 Fehangor part of The Story So Far, make him 1 of the most powerful foes in the series but make him addicted to either Adagna or Bor Brew or both, which can give The Player a way to avoid fighting 1 of the most powerful foes in the series
The best bit, in my opinion, about my 2-part last idea is that it gives you a way to use either The Adagna you can get in Book 30, which most players I either know or have heard about don't use it, and it also gives you a use for The Bor Brew you can get in Book 26, which have no actual use
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Post by zorkraan on Feb 27, 2021 17:49:29 GMT
Vincent, are you able to reveal anything of August Hahn's BA 'Dagger of the Mind'? I note, from the chronological list that was published, that it was included with the Manticore Verlag version of Fire on the Water. Given the quality of his other works, I bet this is another one very much worth reading! Actually I'm not even sure Mantikore Verlag has released it already... However, I can tell what it's about, without spoiling it. YOU play a Noodnic from Gashgiss's colony just after your group met Lone Wolf, and you're going to bump into the Helghast who have invaded Tarnalin... A great opportunity to explore the depths of the Hammerdal Range and its underground secrets !
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Post by andyc on Feb 27, 2021 18:41:24 GMT
Vincent, are you able to reveal anything of August Hahn's BA 'Dagger of the Mind'? I note, from the chronological list that was published, that it was included with the Manticore Verlag version of Fire on the Water. Given the quality of his other works, I bet this is another one very much worth reading! Actually I'm not even sure Mantikore Verlag has released it already... However, I can tell what it's about, without spoiling it. YOU play a Noodnic from Gashgiss's colony just after your group met Lone Wolf, and you're going to bump into the Helghast who have invaded Tarnalin... A great opportunity to explore the depths of the Hammerdal Range and its underground secrets ! That sounds like fun, thanks for the info Vincent. Although, considering how much of a hard time Lone Wolf himself had with the Tarnalin Helghast, I don't fancy the Noodnic's chances ha ha.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 1, 2021 16:50:53 GMT
He could have been involved in the building of Naaros and later became the Champion of Naar, possibly after the previous Champion met their demise (hence 'The Avenger')? Thanks Vincent and Andy for the reply! My understanding is that Kekataag has conquered a world and has been given place in Naaros as a reward for his actions. At least Agarash is also very nice so I might have to switch alliances for now. Further works will be awesome Surely you mean Dazganon, not Naaros? I get the impression Naar picked one of the most violently insane, powerful warriors from a Dark world to help launch an invasion of Magnamund from the Daziarn. That dude looks like he's personally murdered a million people for fun.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 1, 2021 16:59:35 GMT
Are you tempted to carry on past 32?
I get little hints from the discussions with LW and Grey Star, about going to Other World's, that things are not as fixed in place in the other sentient worlds as was once thought.
Personally, I always hoped that Lone Wolf would start travelling between worlds after book 12, given his defeat of most of the champions of evil in Magnamund. 20 books later, it appears that evil was not finished in Magnamund, but very soon it could be. It seems a waste of all that expertise in our SM.... Could 32 be the beginning of a new series, not just the End of one?
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Post by zorkraan on Mar 3, 2021 10:30:53 GMT
I have 3, now 4, suggestions for Book 32. What do you think of them? Sorry I won't address suggestions for book 32 to avoid spoiling anything about the scenario or the gameplay. Thanks for your understanding. Some notes however, SPOILERS ALERT : - The Chaksu Leather Boots and The Chaksu Waistcoat are interesting items, but there are also an hidden trap in LW31 to make fail your negociation with the animals of the Isle of Lorn. - Golzaarn was killed by Grand Master Star Lynx in Book 30 (see section 350). This could become a bonus adventure in the future, but this foe, who killed Grand Master Black Hawk, is no more.
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Post by zorkraan on Mar 3, 2021 10:34:58 GMT
Are you tempted to carry on past 32? I get little hints from the discussions with LW and Grey Star, about going to Other World's, that things are not as fixed in place in the other sentient worlds as was once thought. Personally, I always hoped that Lone Wolf would start travelling between worlds after book 12, given his defeat of most of the champions of evil in Magnamund. 20 books later, it appears that evil was not finished in Magnamund, but very soon it could be. It seems a waste of all that expertise in our SM.... Could 32 be the beginning of a new series, not just the End of one? Book 32 has been announced as, and will be, the conclusion of the Lone Wolf saga. It is Joe Dever's last wish and we won't change that. Now it doesn't mean there won't be other sagas set in Magnamund and /or Aon, with different characters, and/or other periods. I see you read the sections in which Grey Star depicts the cosmic threats. They do exist yes; and perhaps Grey Star and his family are the ones who deal(ed) with them.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 4, 2021 2:10:09 GMT
Are you tempted to carry on past 32? I get little hints from the discussions with LW and Grey Star, about going to Other World's, that things are not as fixed in place in the other sentient worlds as was once thought. Personally, I always hoped that Lone Wolf would start travelling between worlds after book 12, given his defeat of most of the champions of evil in Magnamund. 20 books later, it appears that evil was not finished in Magnamund, but very soon it could be. It seems a waste of all that expertise in our SM.... Could 32 be the beginning of a new series, not just the End of one? Book 32 has been announced as, and will be, the conclusion of the Lone Wolf saga. It is Joe Dever's last wish and we won't change that. Now it doesn't mean there won't be other sagas set in Magnamund and /or Aon, with different characters, and/or other periods. I see you read the sections in which Grey Star depicts the cosmic threats. They do exist yes; and perhaps Grey Star and his family are the ones who deal(ed) with them. Ahhh. So it's to be Son of Grey Star, Cosmic Avenger!
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Post by andyc on Mar 4, 2021 19:14:11 GMT
This is no doubt one of the questions that is better left for a proper official reveal...but I see more and more suggestions that a continuation of the Grey Star books beyond 4 would be worth doing. There seems to be plenty of mysterious events between Grey Star 4 and Dusk, both in Magnamund and beyond that could form a very interesting series continuation. Perhaps there is a secret plan for after the Collector’s Edition of LW28 drops to release CE's of the Grey Star books before continuing with Grey Star 5 and beyond??
No no no..don't tell us. Not yet anyway! But I would be well up for that. Much as the new art for the DEs looks great so far, it is all the NEW stories that excite me the most.
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Post by zorkraan on Mar 4, 2021 22:51:05 GMT
This is no doubt one of the questions that is better left for a proper official reveal...but I see more and more suggestions that a continuation of the Grey Star books beyond 4 would be worth doing. There seems to be plenty of mysterious events between Grey Star 4 and Dusk, both in Magnamund and beyond that could form a very interesting series continuation. Perhaps there is a secret plan for after the Collector’s Edition of LW28 drops to release CE's of the Grey Star books before continuing with Grey Star 5 and beyond?? No no no..don't tell us. Not yet anyway! But I would be well up for that. Much as the new art for the DEs looks great so far, it is all the NEW stories that excite me the most. All I can say is that Ian Page helped to prepare the background of LW31, notably all the Grey Star / Lorn stuff. It's highly possible that what is explained in LW31 reflects events which happened in still unpublished Grey Star stories.
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