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Post by allure on Jun 11, 2024 14:27:22 GMT
A list of what I've noticed: - The Claws of Helgedad clearly say Alyss is the relic of the truth of Ishir's truce with Naar, but The Rotting Land says she's an avatar of a God more powerful than Ishir/Naar that intervened to help the God of Ohrido - Qinefer kills Helghast without needing magic weapons
- The Tellings say Gnaag becomes Archlord before Lone Wolf started on the Magnakai quest, but The Jungle of Horrors say it happened after- Jenara is a second-level magician in The Birthplace and parts of The Book of the Magnakai. Only "parts" because in Chapter One of the latter book, she is stated to be not second-level (which is why Banedon felt more bored than she did in Vassagonia) - The Helghast that kills Arka in The Birthplace somehow knows of the existence of second-level left-hand magic, even though even Vonotar, then a member of the Brotherhood of the Crystal Star, was not aware of it - The timeline set out in The Birthplace + The Book of the Magnakai as to how Qinefer and Banedon came to be in the villa outside Barakeesh is not possible. Banedon met and freed Qinefer, who destroyed the Birthplace, met Lone Wolf in the palace, and went to the villa, but she knew for "some days" that Banedon is able to ride among clouds. Considering that Lone Wolf barely had any spare time in the Zakhan's palace (he slept 20 minutes before the bells tolled), there is simply no time for her to do that  |
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Post by askhati on Jun 13, 2024 12:29:04 GMT
Don't take the Legends series serious. At all. Consider it more like the fabulous stories and gossiped rumours that people tell in taverns, where everyone tells a different version and no-one gets 100% of the facts 100% right (or even 50% right). With that in mind, the inconsistencies become a bit more palatable  |
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Post by GhostofLandar on Jun 26, 2024 19:46:20 GMT
A list of what I've noticed: - The Claws of Helgedad clearly say Alyss is the relic of the truth of Ishir's truce with Naar, but The Rotting Land says she's an avatar of a God more powerful than Ishir/Naar that intervened to help the God of Ohrido - Qinefer kills Helghast without needing magic weapons
- The Tellings say Gnaag becomes Archlord before Lone Wolf started on the Magnakai quest, but The Jungle of Horrors say it happened after- Jenara is a second-level magician in The Birthplace and parts of The Book of the Magnakai. Only "parts" because in Chapter One of the latter book, she is stated to be not second-level (which is why Banedon felt more bored than she did in Vassagonia) - The Helghast that kills Arka in The Birthplace somehow knows of the existence of second-level left-hand magic, even though even Vonotar, then a member of the Brotherhood of the Crystal Star, was not aware of it - The timeline set out in The Birthplace + The Book of the Magnakai as to how Qinefer and Banedon came to be in the villa outside Barakeesh is not possible. Banedon met and freed Qinefer, who destroyed the Birthplace, met Lone Wolf in the palace, and went to the villa, but she knew for "some days" that Banedon is able to ride among clouds. Considering that Lone Wolf barely had any spare time in the Zakhan's palace (he slept 20 minutes before the bells tolled), there is simply no time for her to do that My God, please do not take any of that as canon or even worry about continuity. It seems very clear to me that the longer the series went on, the more comfortable Grant/Barrett was with just overwriting Magnamund and inserting his own developing universe. Alyss makes most sense to me (and Joe seemed to align with this) as a residue of the Great Balance that Ishir held back. That's why LW cannot sense her as truly good or evil, she's like an elemental and more interventionist Tom Bombadil. The nonsense about a god more powerful than Ishi or Naar would only be Kai himself and I highly doubt that's the case. It's probably some multiverse thing Grant worked out. Qinefer is a precursor to a trope that has come to predominate in popular entertainment (it's funny because the origin of the trope was from someone parodying bad fanfiction in Star Trek). So she didn't need a magic weapon because Grant couldn't be bothered to even insert a line about the weapon she used or to remember what is special about Helghast. The previous advice is correct, treat these as fanciful tales that involve characters you love (and many you hate lol) and you'll be OK. |
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Post by laz001 on Jul 9, 2024 12:49:18 GMT
The exact text - from the book in-front of me is:
So - she DOESN'T kill a Helghast.
However - hitting it with a black giak sword from the darklands however would give it pause for thought - as far as I remember, weapons forged in Helgedad can harm a Helghast...
Qinefer is still an annoying overpowered character though.
Alyss on another hand is awesome - and is mostly canon in my mind (she's in the gamebooks as a demigod)
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Post by GhostofLandar on Jul 9, 2024 14:47:21 GMT
I don't have the book in front of me but that sounds like a Tolkienesque description of the Helghast death and your interpretation is almost certainly wrong. "Clutched at the blade" does not mean it removed the blade. "Left behind nothing but a shriek which the breeze swiftly snatched and dispersed..." (this is like both Saruman and Sauron's spirits being dispersed or rejected by the Ainur) "The giak's sword, which thudded to the ground."
I'd say it's very clear he's describing the Helghast attempting to remove the blade and run but dissolving/disintegrating and dying (as Helghasts do not leave corpses under normal circumstances). Hence the blade thudding to the ground and his shriek being cut somewhat short (not the continuous shrieking you'd expect from a gravely injured Helghast who ran.)
No, a sword from the Darklands isn't magical and it would not give it pause unless the weapon is magical otherwise Helghast would be of little value as they are depicted in the world of Magnamund. Any giak could kill it in that case, not very special.
As for Alyss, I like how Joe included her in the gamebooks but she is not Queen Evaine or a million other incarnations or disguises, and she becomes a bit annoying in the books at times.
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Post by allure on Jul 10, 2024 11:03:19 GMT
As for Alyss, I like how Joe included her in the gamebooks but she is not Queen Evaine or a million other incarnations or disguises, and she becomes a bit annoying in the books at times. "I am the air and the fire and the earth and the water," explained Alyss. "I am whatever it is that holds the world together. I am the very substance of Magnamund." "I am just about to fall off this horse," muttered Banedon.  (From Hunting Wolf) |
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